Match Day Thread Cheslea vs Liverpool
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Always find out fascinating how we've been watching the same players and games but get a completely different viewpoint... I think Trent is one of the better throw-in takers in the league.
And we still caught out several times. Chelsea exploited that side all game.
There are some serious structural and personnel issues:
- the pressing is chaotic at the moment. It’s not coordinated, and often leaves big gaps as our players go to press.
- Robbo is struggling down that left side. Not all his fault but I don’t think he’s up to it anymore
- our build up play is too rushed. We have centre backs and Trent who like to play long balls quickly, and we have two technical midfielders are progressive but risky. We need a LCB who can build up play and keep the ball on the deck, and DM who can recycle possession
- Trent is only inverted when we have the ball and are attacking. If we’re in defensive transition, then he stays ar right back. As we only had 35%, he was rarely on the ball or in the inverted position to hurt the opposition.
It’s a concern because we’ve seen these issues constantly for a while now. I really don’t think the set up is good enough, even with the right personnel. Klopps coaching has been stale and without direction for some time now
Seems Liverpool want to blame the result on one decision, but they didn't do enough to win the game.
as i said at the time I wouldn't mind if the actual match offical on the pitch looked at it on a screen and said no.
he didn't and that just highlights the weakness of var. he had to just go look and make his own mind up not rely on a faceless bot.
the second one was even more dodgy and he waved that off too
I'm sorry Jimmy but fundamentally you've embarked on a bash the next guy routine here.
if you were left 2 and 3 on 1 cos there's no lcm cover and no lw cover really you'd struggle too.
High spirits
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@Jimmy Squarefoot stop ringing in with this.
nobody should be free of criticism even klopp but you.cannot even dare say one word about what you see on here without people assuming you want the man sacked.
I mean awful as in he always takes his time and seems to find it difficult to make that choice quickly. I suppose that really wasn't an issue until now.
There were clear issues yesterday but also a lot to admire, some of the build up play was very good especially in the first half. Once we have a DM in place with McAllister tucking in with him we'll be a lot more difficult to play through.
Pretty happy with most of what I saw and there's a lot to build on, fitness will improve, we seemed to run out of steam towards the end which caused problems.
Pretty happy with most of what I saw and there's a lot to build on, fitness will improve, we seemed to run out of steam towards the end which caused problems.
Tbf you don't really focus on the positives so you should expect a little criticism.
Talk Sport doesn't really attract the most reasonable of people tbf mate.High spirits
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Its no worse than any other full back imo.
I just think every club has their sighter now and have to proceed on the basis that when a ref tells you to take it you lob it as far down the line as you can irrespective of how slow your team has been in getting in position.
We all have to remember this will fade quickly and the refs are throwing cards about to make a show right now.
We are trying to retain possession off the throw rather than getting field position. If you throw the ball down the line into a contested header you actually hope the opponent heads it out of play higher up the park. If you are relying on your team mates to gets into a position to be able to retain possession it can be an issue.
Just throw it miles down the line.
not stale no.
In fact they have clearly changed formations etc.
The issue for me thats most worrying is who underbaked we look and after 6 weeks of coaching we are still talking about them dropping off and not trusting whatever said system is.
same for fitness.
We hired that throw in coach and we were then the best at retaining possession from throws ins, this was a couple of seasons ago though, no idea how we've done since then. Seems a small part of the game that didn't really need that much attention but I suppose it all matters.
We'll improve, wasn't the worst start to a season.
he's gone. we stopped using him.
It's just about being pragmatic. Theres little danger to throw ins so its about recycling possession even in advanced positions so for me its all about risk and reward. We lob the ball into the middle of the park in a very pressable position a lot of the time (throw ins are lobs so the ball has to be laid off or controlled and are not like a ball along the ground) IMO in a defensive position we should mix this up and have "someone" get wide fast on a thrown in and have that lob down the line that can be contested or headed out.
I think at home refs will simply not book players for this as the crowds will get all over ther backs. In 2 weeks we won't be talking about this.
honestly trent was timewasting and was obviously time wasting in game 1 of the season and as such get the card thats there for refs to give.
Refs always go nuts with directives in gw1
It was not as bad as last season (IMO) we were blown off the park by fulham for 45mins last year and dug in a bit then to fight for that draw.
In this game we were actually decent but i felt two things happened.
1. we were not getting tight or physical at all. Nobody seems to have gotten this part of the English league rules. You can kick the guy and get no yellow but wave your arms at the ref and you'll get yellow. They are encouraging physicality. Sterling was left with the run of the park for example.
2. We dropped off rather than stepping up which klopp commented on himself. Diaz dropped to LCM and in effect our press disintegrated. Gakpo nor diaz got near james and Chelsea were left with the run of our left side despite this drop off. If we all stepped up and dared them ping it over the top we would have done better IMO.
2.a their 3 CBs were left with the ball and we watched jota run himself into the ground centrally while salah came in to make it a two but didn't press near as much. Add in gallagher floating 5 yards left and right and those cbs had all the time in the world.
2b. as the back line was too deep then chilwell, sterling, james or fernandez. were all confident enough to stand up the park and move for passes that made easy out balls for those CBs and gallagher.
Basically by simply not pushing up and compressing the pitch we enabled their back 4 outfield players have the ball while their 4 described still had lost of half spaces to run in for easy passes. It was TOO EASY for them
Really We have seen a lot better 2 seasons ago coming in from preseason lashing about pressing all over. This is why after watching this preseason that we just were just not baked imo.
We can do much better than this. There's absolutely no reason why even that 11 (though we need to stop this gakpo at lcm rubbish) shouldn't do much better if they are brave enough to push up and stick a foot in.