Match Day Thread Hull City v Doncaster Rovers

[Mckechnie Orange]

Sounds fishy to me. Players don't just forget how to play like that. Ingram didn't look confused and scared to pass the ball under previous managers.

Have you heard the interview?

It's the exact opposite of making excuses.

He didn't look confused and scared to pass under rosenior last season either.

Perhaps it's more to do with his midfield and forward line playing musical statues instead of football.

 

[Amin Arrears]

The stupidest part of it is that when he was here he was actually very unpopular. No one owns up to it now but the majority of City fans used to complain about him because he wasn't a fancy player. The exact same types who talk down Slater now would've hated Ashbee for the exact same reasons, but again they wouldn't admit to it now.

Well that just patently isn’t true. Slater is nothing like Ash either, it would be better to compare him to James Harper, that’s the kind of player Slater is.

 

[Top_Tiger]

I know it’s massively outdated now, but I was listening to a podcast from Mark Crossley, and he was talking about Brian Clough. He said simply everyone knew their jobs, he liked a striker to hold it up and pass it out wide get in the box and head it in. Liked defenders to head it and kick it, etc.

That’s a very simplistic view of football, but the games far to complicated than it needs to be now. Obviously elite level it’s a different game, but Bruce and Brown didn’t go through their successful periods by over complicating it. I don’t want to make this into the usual Bruce and Brown talk but just two examples we may understand.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Well that just patently isn’t true. Slater is nothing like Ash either, it would be better to compare him to James Harper, that’s the kind of player Slater is.

Every season he wasn't good enough though. Everytime we got promoted fans said he wouldn't step up - we brought in Keith Andrews who left and had a good career and city fans hated him too.

Remember tearing my hair out that many supporters just didn't understand what a ball winning dm was all about.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

I know it’s massively outdated now, but I was listening to a podcast from Mark Crossley, and he was talking about Brian Clough. He said simply everyone knew their jobs, he liked a striker to hold it up and pass it out wide get in the box and head it in. Liked defenders to head it and kick it, etc.

That’s a very simplistic view of football, but the games far to complicated than it needs to be now. Obviously elite level it’s a different game, but Bruce and Brown didn’t go through their successful periods by over complicating it. I don’t want to make this into the usual Bruce and Brown talk but just two examples we may understand.

Football changes over time. Both those managers styles have been superseeded at our level or above now, as their recent records confirm.

 

[DJBlackandamberarmy(No4)]

Every season he wasn't good enough though. Everytime we got promoted fans said he wouldn't step up - we brought in Keith Andrews who left and had a good career and city fans hated him too.

Remember tearing my hair out that many supporters just didn't understand what a ball winning dm was all about.

Trouble with that is there is seemingly no **** DM , if you don’t rate a striker it’s fair enough , but as soon as anybody doesn’t rate a DM , they don’t understand what one does …. It’s like every position , you get good ones and bad ones

 

[Jim the Tiger]

Have you heard the interview?

It's the exact opposite of making excuses.

He didn't look confused and scared to pass under rosenior last season either.

Perhaps it's more to do with his midfield and forward line playing musical statues instead of football.

For your theory to be true it would mean 11 blokes all deciding that they don't want to move or provide an option (for whatever reason) for around 80 minutes of football.

It would also mean at half time not one member of the coaching staff told them to stop standing still and actually start providing options.

It would also mean that during the game said staff didn't once tell the 11 players to change things up.

Do you really think that's the case?

Because from where I was sitting there was only one thing that caused that performance. An up himself manager that has dictated they don't move away from his masterplan under any circumstances.

Do you honestly believe professionals like we had out there last night didn't know what to do and just froze for 80 minutes? They were playing to a terrible plan that wasn't changed despite clear evidence it wasn't working.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Trouble with that is there is seemingly no **** DM , if you don’t rate a striker it’s fair enough , but as soon as anybody doesn’t rate a DM , they don’t understand what one does …. It’s like every position , you get good ones and bad ones

Often good ones go unnoticed though.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

For your theory to be true it would mean 11 blokes all deciding that they don't want to move or provide an option (for whatever reason) for around 80 minutes of football.

It would also mean at half time not one member of the coaching staff told them to stop standing still and actually start providing options.

It would also mean that during the game said staff didn't once tell the 11 players to change things up.

Do you really think that's the case?

Because from where I was sitting there was only things that caused that performance. An up himself manager that has dictated they don't move away from his masterplan under any circumstances.

Do you honestly believe professionals like we had out there last night didn't know what to do and just froze for 80 minutes? They were playing to a terrible plan that wasn't changed despite clear evidence it wasn't working.

Well what he said last night was the complete opposite of what you're suggesting.

I think they've probably trained to play a certain way then didn't know what to do when Donny just marked them up and stopped the press.

Either that or they downed tools for whatever reason.

You think Rosenior asked them to stand there and not move to create space, cos it's the only time we've seen that under him.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Every season he wasn't good enough though. Everytime we got promoted fans said he wouldn't step up - we brought in Keith Andrews who left and had a good career and city fans hated him too.

Remember tearing my hair out that many supporters just didn't understand what a ball winning dm was all about.

Oh I know but that comment was aimed at me as I think I’m probably the only person who doesn’t really rate Slater, and I certainly never moaned about Ash. He was my favourite player.

 

[Jim the Tiger]

Well what he said last night was the complete opposite of what you're suggesting.

He talks too much.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

He talks too much.

It's his job isn't it?

 

[Kalman]

It's his job isn't it?

Part of it. The other parts include signing good players and coaching the team to play good football and win games. Seems he does a lot of talking but little of the latter.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Part of it. The other parts include signing good players and coaching the team to play good football and win games. Seems he does a lot of talking but little of the latter.

Clubs have to release them before you can sign them, and surely it's tan and darno doing the deals not rosenior himself.

I dont have a problem with criticising the disparity between what comes out of his mouth and the performance of the pitch, but he has as much right to speak his mind as any other manager and they all have waffled repetitively when things aren't going well every bit as much as Liam does.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

You've said that previously, and it's been explained by several. It really isn't difficult to understand.
It isn't an infatuation. It's simply that Ashbee is the clearest most obvious example to use to describe what we are missing ie leadership, presence, physicality in the middle, etc
We literally have next to zero of those things ATM

Just because people explain their misguided obsession doesn't mean it's not misguided.

 

[Amin Arrears]

What we really need is a Paul McKenna in midfield.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

It didn’t work last season did it, we finished 15th hardly a resounding success, and if you watched we we saw last night, and heard the comments from all around then you would feel the same as me

We finished 10th in games managed by Rosenior, despite our injury record.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

We finished 10th in games managed by Rosenior, despite our injury record.

Shh. I've asked them to disprove it but they don't/wont believe the stat even though its in black and white on several stats accumulation websites.

Wasn't it joint potentially joint 9th if you actually round it to whole points?

 

[Evington]

Oh I know but that comment was aimed at me as I think I’m probably the only person who doesn’t really rate Slater, and I certainly never moaned about Ash. He was my favourite player.

Unless we travel to games together and you haven't told me you post on here, then you aren't the only one who doesn't rate Slater.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Unless we travel to games together and you haven't told me you post on here, then you aren't the only one who doesn't rate Slater.

He's progressing. He's not the finished article but year on year is definitely improving.