Sol knows it makes sense. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sol-bamba-says-cardiff-city-27342625
I don't know wether this one counts? Surely there must be some sell on clause? Man Utd to sign Gabriele Biancheri from Cardiff City after medical completed - Wales Online
Frustrating that we get them this far and they slip away. I know signing for a big club is attractive, but most of them wont get near the first team. Surely better to stick where you are. If you're good enough, your cance will come.
No one complained when we got promotion under Malky and Warnock but that was because the teams performed on the pitch. As far as youth coming through an exceptional talent such as Ramsey compete with the experienced players so they have to show real ability and make a difference, no point in young players being good if they are not good enough.
Don't think so. The Mancs paid a fee in line with guidelines for young players. £4/500k from memory. We had the same issue with the young winger (Rabbi Matondo) who Man City I think nicked for a pittance and then sold abroad before returning to the UK last year. Now at Rangers. A lot to do with Academy status I think. Elite Player Performance Plan was the term used then. Lewis Benjamin was another one earlier this year.
This actually goes against earlier comments, mine included, about our academy/development squad not producing good players. They are clearly attractive to top level clubs and as their academies have a higher status than us we can't stop them going, subject to payment of a relatively nominal fee, unless the youngster wants to stay and signs a full professional contract with us.
The debate is why aren't they good enough? Our noisy neighbours produce far more talent than us and have been rewarded with many first team players and tens of millions of pounds in recent years, while we have made nothing. The inference is that our academy isn't good enough. Why? Tan appointing a DoF would be a good start to kick starting the production line.
You are saying Isaak Davies and Mark Harris are not good enough< I think they could play for Swansea they are not good enough for us. Now we have Keiran Evans and Joel Colwill Eli King and Tome Davies coming through so they are not good enough either? You cannot have the penny and the bun.
Mark Harris didn't make a 1st team slot his own, a bit part player. He left for a lower league side for nothing. Therefore deemed not good enough. If he was good enough, why do we keep signing players in his position? Isaak Davies hasn't gone to portugal as he's either going out on loan or being sold. Therefore, currently not good enough. Can you name the last player that came through the accademy that nailed down a 1st team place or got sold to a team in the championship or premier league? Several have gone to lower leagues with maybe a token fee. I think the last one to make it was Ramsey, 16 years ago. Ralls was signed from Hereford as a youngster so doesnt really count. Our academy hasnt produced a 1st team player or sellable asset for 16 years. As for the list of names you've given 'coming through', we've always got players 'coming through'. But then never make it. In the mean time, the Swans have had many players become first team regulars or be sold for 7 or even 8 figure sums, to bigger clubs. Their acadamy is significantly outperforming ours. I wouldnt mind a penny OR a bun. Currently we have neither.
Academy players are being given a chance, it is not a money making exercise, the idea is to use them for the first team not sell them but if they get offers a decision has to be made. Besides of all the players coming through from even premier clubs it is easy to forget the large numbers who do not make it.If it is simply a matter of bringing young players in and finding out they were world beaters every club would have a team of academy players. Most clubs do not even give academy players a chance.
It's an interesting debate. It could be argued that our recent perilous league positions haven't allowed us the luxury of trying to give youngsters an extended run in the team in order to allow them to fully find their feet and as a result we never see them blossom fully?? It'd be interesting to see how often the likes of Ollie Cooper down the road had bad games / didn't show up so well but got left in the team regardless. Same for Dan James, I've no doubts if you were to scroll back on the Jacks board you'd probably see a few grumbles about poor performances every so often (I also think he is massively overrated and not a lot better/too far different to Isaak Davies TBH and if you think about it, we reportedly turned down a relatively decent offer from Burnley for him last season). Connor Roberts to be fair was and has been pretty consistent. I wonder if we lose patience with the young un's just a bit too quickly?? Hopefully though we are slowly seeing a shift, with better use of the loan system to get them more experience and another promising batch coming up.
Academy players are not being given a chance. None get a run of games to prove themselves. Began probably comes closest. As for not being money making, ours certainly isnt. The academy is there to produce 1st team footballers. They either save us money because we dont have to buy a player in, or they make us money. It's costing us (Tan) £millions a year to run the academy. For no return. Why bother? The numbers that make it compared to those that start the journey is tiny, as you've said. It's looking for a diamond in the rough. Its a brutal process. And there's a hierarchy. Many non-league players will have been discarded from a league academy. We've had several players that haven't made it in the premier league accademies. With regard your last comment. Just about every player in the leagues will have been in an accademy somewhere. Here or overseas. So yes, every club has a team of academy players. Just not their academy. I'll stand by my view that our academy does not benefit our club.
OT I know but just read the curious decision by the CPS to drop charges against Giggs. What does the future know hold fo The academy can produce a diamond which I guess is one of its aims.
I understand the aim Nin. The point I'm making is that since Rambo, we've found very little. It is very much a numbers game. As I say, brutal if you're not one who makes it. In terms of successes, our numbers are very poor when compared to others. Our academy just costs us money for very little return. I put that down to the club and its management, not the raw material we're processing. Others can and do produce a far greater return.
Of course every team is full of academy players but that is to ignore the thousands who never made it. There is some risk asking academy players to step up into the championship game after game then it could be said they are being burnt out and their game suffers. Players at top premier side are slowly brought into the team not thrown into the team game after game. Never mind the academy players some of the experienced players here are not good enough and they have made it into the first team. We should ask ourselves how many fans of other clubs think their academy is good?
We have 4 academy players with the squad in Portugal and Ollie Tanner who came here from Lewes and is now looking a very good player. Ng came from a lower league and has been really good for us, so if you are good enough there is a place in the team but you are up against the experienced squad players so you got to be better than those players.
It’s a puzzle though why a manager picks those “experienced squad players” over certain youngsters for no apparent reason. Last season eg he picked a central midfielder Ralls at LB when O’D was unfit instead of Bagan. Sawyers was another one picked ahead of eg Sang. Youngsters can only get better with more game time.
I put it down to a risk averse attitude.... Odds are (with conventional wisdom) that a younger, less experienced and less physically developed player will make more errors or be more easily dominated than an older, more experienced and street wise pro. I'm sure I read somewhere that Bulut does have a bit of a track record of bringing youngsters through though, so maybe, just maybe we'll see a little bit more of it going forwards, especially if the team is looking relatively comfortable as far as league position goes? It's definitely easier for a less experienced player to step into a team playing well and with confidence/a rhythm than one struggling, lacking in confidence and with every chance of team mates pointing fingers and the crowd getting on their backs quickly when passes are misplaced or when getting caught out of position. Of course, it's a catch-22, if you don't play them, how can they improve but can you risk playing them if the stakes are so high??
That is correct, the manager can play Isaac Davies and Mark Harris instead of Rhino and Sawyers as they are far better which should be the main criteria. Let us hope this manager plays the best players without favouring players just because they have experience.
