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They only played Man City once in their run in... DDDLWWLLW ... that's simply not good enough.

that's

lfc away
West ham away
Southampton home 3-3
city away

anyone can drop a point away in that first game. but the difference is city had already got the pressure on them and xhaka roused trent.

the west ham and Southampton results were completely unacceptable in a title race. they conceded 5 goals in 2 games.

and why? cos they had no cb cover.

they have bought another quasi rb/cb in timber now so white might.move in but I do not think they have addressed the issue at all.

havertz is a complete waste of space imo. he might fly but they had 2 players already as reserves there. they need more genuine cm cover.
 
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nobody.

I'd contend there's a half chance city completely flop next season. A small half chance based on squad fatigue, player loss to transfer and rampant boozing.

there more of a chance of arsenal running away with it like we did in 19/20 with no real challenge than arsenal getting into a proper title race with a proper city side.

We need to just face some hard truths

1. VVD is not what he was. If we don't adjust how we play we will continue to leak goals
2. We still cannot break down set defences. Something has to change to win games.
3. Our real issue separating us from the dregs like utd and newcastle was lack of goals. IMO our real issue is getting goals out of nunez and keeping gakpo, jota and diaz fit. This is IMO just as important as the midfield
4. Even if two new boys hit the ground running there is an imbalance in the squad thats travelled to germany. A player must arrive to replace fabinho.
5. Our system of borrowing a full back and playing a Cb at RB/CB is not quite what others are doing in the league. its all fine with the ball but without it we've seen issues. City saw issues. they tried this against us and lost in the first game last year with B.Silva at lw/lm/lb. they tonked us at home.

Theres a massive difference between city approach of stones stood there as a CB playing CM beside rodri and fast guys behind in behind that and us parking trent who's not a cb and can't defend there and expecting a real big cb like konate to cover 40 yards of ground.

City have the nice situation of having 75% possession and stones basically reverting to CB in thier formation until they get set to defend (if they don't win it back fast)

Our system needs tweaking this summer. thats what I am saying. We cannot turn up expecting it to work without spending a lot of time and effort getting it right.

The thing about city is the can play various players and get it done. If trent is out we cannot play our 3223 formation, not really.

whatever we do we need 2 players in every slot. Not one system with trent and one system without. that can't work.

so a third chance or a quarter, tenth, two fifths….but definitely not a half chance <laugh>
 
nobody.

I'd contend there's a half chance city completely flop next season. A small half chance based on squad fatigue, player loss to transfer and rampant boozing.

there more of a chance of arsenal running away with it like we did in 19/20 with no real challenge than arsenal getting into a proper title race with a proper city side.

We need to just face some hard truths

1. VVD is not what he was. If we don't adjust how we play we will continue to leak goals
2. We still cannot break down set defences. Something has to change to win games.
3. Our real issue separating us from the dregs like utd and newcastle was lack of goals. IMO our real issue is getting goals out of nunez and keeping gakpo, jota and diaz fit. This is IMO just as important as the midfield
4. Even if two new boys hit the ground running there is an imbalance in the squad thats travelled to germany. A player must arrive to replace fabinho.
5. Our system of borrowing a full back and playing a Cb at RB/CB is not quite what others are doing in the league. its all fine with the ball but without it we've seen issues. City saw issues. they tried this against us and lost in the first game last year with B.Silva at lw/lm/lb. they tonked us at home.

Theres a massive difference between city approach of stones stood there as a CB playing CM beside rodri and fast guys behind in behind that and us parking trent who's not a cb and can't defend there and expecting a real big cb like konate to cover 40 yards of ground.

City have the nice situation of having 75% possession and stones basically reverting to CB in thier formation until they get set to defend (if they don't win it back fast)

Our system needs tweaking this summer. thats what I am saying. We cannot turn up expecting it to work without spending a lot of time and effort getting it right.

The thing about city is the can play various players and get it done. If trent is out we cannot play our 3223 formation, not really.

whatever we do we need 2 players in every slot. Not one system with trent and one system without. that can't work.
I know you put a lot of work into your posts but there's such a thing as analysis to paralysis.

It's the comment like "nobody" that makes me wonder why you let yourself be this downbeat before the season even starts. I'm concerned for all different reasons by the scale of the upheaval but generally I'm excited to see how this new team gets it together and dominates other teams like we know a Klopp team can.
 
wouldn’t say it was criminal. It’s more that Man City are a machine, where anything less than perfection is not good enough
Just a turn of phrase, but it was bad. They were in the driving seat then took 15 points from their last 10 games (I think).
In any sport it's essential to have a strong finish.
Even we managed 24 points from the last 10.
 
I know you put a lot of work into your posts but there's such a thing as analysis to paralysis.

It's the comment like "nobody" that makes me wonder why you let yourself be this downbeat before the season even starts. I'm concerned for all different reasons by the scale of the upheaval but generally I'm excited to see how this new team gets it together and dominates other teams like we know a Klopp team can.

city are treble champions and at this point have only lost one player and replaced them with kovacic. in theory they are not much weaker despite losing a player who was in top top form last year.

All the rest going is speculation.

If city are on form then 95 is the absolutely minimum target and there's not one side in the prem capable of racing them week in and week out to that currently.

We should be aiming for 4th and Europa league and anything else is a massive massive bonus.

As I have outlined there's so much to do to get those forwards working for us and that's IMO the key to 4th. anything better requires the whole team balance to improve
 
How about this, Eddie Howe in an interview with BBC said “ Financial fair play are not words that I like” . Well I have news for you Eddie, they are words that City, Chelsea and Arsenal don’t know never mind like. Sickening how a relegation yoyo team are now able to oil money in to the top of the league
 
city are treble champions and at this point have only lost one player and replaced them with kovacic. in theory they are not much weaker despite losing a player who was in top top form last year.

All the rest going is speculation.

If city are on form then 95 is the absolutely minimum target and there's not one side in the prem capable of racing them week in and week out to that currently.

We should be aiming for 4th and Europa league and anything else is a massive massive bonus.

As I have outlined there's so much to do to get those forwards working for us and that's IMO the key to 4th. anything better requires the whole team balance to improve
quite right
in fact i don't think i'll bother watching this season :emoticon-0101-sadsm
 
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city are treble champions and at this point have only lost one player and replaced them with kovacic. in theory they are not much weaker despite losing a player who was in top top form last year.

All the rest going is speculation.

If city are on form then 95 is the absolutely minimum target and there's not one side in the prem capable of racing them week in and week out to that currently.

We should be aiming for 4th and Europa league and anything else is a massive massive bonus.

As I have outlined there's so much to do to get those forwards working for us and that's IMO the key to 4th. anything better requires the whole team balance to improve
The player they lost is a big one and if Silva follows, they are a good bit weaker than last year
 
there are simply not enough teams challenging City. It was only us for half a decade or so. This league needs a much stronger top 6, even if it means our main rivals getting stronger too.

Look back in time
1970s 5 titles for us and a good spread round then Derby, leeds and forest for example.
1980s. We have how many "challengers" Everton, forest, arsenal, villa and even utd flirted we won 6 titles.
1990s also won 6, they actually had Leeds, Blackburn and arsenal
2000s, Utd again another 6 titles this time chelsea and arsenal as the rivals
2010s. actually only 4 city titles, 2 utd, 2 chelsea, 1 leicester, 1 Liverpool
2020s so far: 3 city titles in 3 seasons

the issue is that clubs can no longer get good and come up to win one. Leicester was a miracle according to most yet there were precedents of sides being good enough for a short time.

Its now so expensive that nobody can get a side together without getting picked clean by vultures.

We've seen the LFC period, We've seen the Utd period. Both had main rivals. We've seen now the city period of dominance really set in and we are over 10 years into it. 7 titles in 12 years with a really poor period under a bad manager (pelligrini)

when city have been "on it" they have been untouchable by anyone. In the Guardiola the only club to get near was us on 2 occasions and we won it when they were off due to CB injuries.

We are no longer the dominant club we are content to be a little rival now.

this could all change if Newcastle are let get going and invent revenues, but for now city are being enbaled to invent revenues left and right and will probably cliam worlds biggest and maybe over 1 billion in renvues shortly.

City are now in the position of man utd in the 1990s. Utd had 75k in the stadium and about double the transfer budget. City have? we totally fake sponsorships that allow for spend.
 
quite right
in fact i don't think i'll bother watching this season :emoticon-0101-sadsm

whats up to you.

some folk are not sunshine fans who only turn up for the big wins.

<whistle>

in fact i hear city need a few more plastics to fill out their stadium so there's always a place for people who only support winning teams
 
Oil money is what oil money is.

Simple fact is, Premier League has repeatedly demonstrated that they don't intend to enforce FFP.

That said, don't expect teams to stop. Why wouldn't Newcastle break FFP if City does? Why wouldn't City if Chelsea does? What motivation does Chelsea have to stop.

It is what it is, and I can't blame any team for using any advantage that they have.

Only people who can stop this is the FA, UEFA, or PL, and let's face it, they have no motivation to do so.
 
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The player they lost is a big one and if Silva follows, they are a good bit weaker than last year

Look at his minutes. Gundogan had a great season yes but he played an average of 58minutes in the league and was heavily rotated along with others.

Yes silva going on top will affect them. 100% but right now that's speculation. For all we know they sign someone for 200mil. both are speculations.

Ederson
akanji Dias Aki
Stones Rodri
Silva KDB Gundogan Grealish
Haaland

Some examples of what might happen

1. Kovacic simply replaces Gundogan
2. Foden is played
3. Alvarez plays RW

Right now at this moment in time city are not much weaker than they were winning a treble.

City's main issue was getting this system to work for them at the outset of the season but then they just piled on and it pushed gundogan to a position where he had the freedom to do what he did. Who knows what foden might do in there.

I presume they will be flying from the off with no getting sued to a new system, but everyone missed my earlier point. Fatigue could play a big part, I even first highlighted they could be stripped of players.

the problem is hope is not a strategy.

I simply ask how can LFC get 95 points. I simply don't see if getting that, not with this amount of change and work to do to come together. I'd be quite happy with 75 and a europa league trophy.
 
nobody.

I'd contend there's a half chance city completely flop next season. A small half chance based on squad fatigue, player loss to transfer and rampant boozing.

there more of a chance of arsenal running away with it like we did in 19/20 with no real challenge than arsenal getting into a proper title race with a proper city side.

We need to just face some hard truths

1. VVD is not what he was. If we don't adjust how we play we will continue to leak goals
2. We still cannot break down set defences. Something has to change to win games.
3. Our real issue separating us from the dregs like utd and newcastle was lack of goals. IMO our real issue is getting goals out of nunez and keeping gakpo, jota and diaz fit. This is IMO just as important as the midfield
4. Even if two new boys hit the ground running there is an imbalance in the squad thats travelled to germany. A player must arrive to replace fabinho.
5. Our system of borrowing a full back and playing a Cb at RB/CB is not quite what others are doing in the league. its all fine with the ball but without it we've seen issues. City saw issues. they tried this against us and lost in the first game last year with B.Silva at lw/lm/lb. they tonked us at home.

Theres a massive difference between city approach of stones stood there as a CB playing CM beside rodri and fast guys behind in behind that and us parking trent who's not a cb and can't defend there and expecting a real big cb like konate to cover 40 yards of ground.

City have the nice situation of having 75% possession and stones basically reverting to CB in thier formation until they get set to defend (if they don't win it back fast)

Our system needs tweaking this summer. thats what I am saying. We cannot turn up expecting it to work without spending a lot of time and effort getting it right.

The thing about city is the can play various players and get it done. If trent is out we cannot play our 3223 formation, not really.

whatever we do we need 2 players in every slot. Not one system with trent and one system without. that can't work.

RE breaking down defences. I’m hoping the Szobo may help in that regard. Can’t say I know a whole lot about him, only what I’ve read not seen much play other than clips, but seems to have that bit of skill on the ball as well as a good shot from outside the box, somethibg that’s missing in this team. That is always a way of breaking down a defence. Either by scoring, or forcing opposition to come out and close you down which opens up a space behind them somewhere.
 
RE breaking down defences. I’m hoping the Szobo may help in that regard. Can’t say I know a whole lot about him, only what I’ve read not seen much play other than clips, but seems to have that bit of skill on the ball as well as a good shot from outside the box, somethibg that’s missing in this team. That is always a way of breaking down a defence. Either by scoring, or forcing opposition to come out and close you down which opens up a space behind them somewhere.

Both Mac and Dom should be able to help unlock defences. Both are incredibly good operating half spaces and ball progression