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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Or a virus or two to soften us up
     
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    Staines R's Well-Known Member

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    Sorry they were out of trade deals…..managed to pick up a couple of EU Pension funds though…****ing outrageously expensive they were
     
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  3. Star of David Bardsley

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    Congolese flu is coming to kill us all I read the other day.
     
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  4. Goldhawk-Road

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    To be fair to China, they are helping to neutralise Putin's nuclear threats. He won't want to incur Xi's disfavour
     
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    Just for transparency, this is the Times editorial leader from 31 March. It’s opinion, not reportage, as might be evident by the lack of facts and excess of opinion. The fact that its opinion is clear in the Times, less so in your post.

    The editor of the Times is Tony Gallagher, a self confessed Brexiter and Johnson fan. When editor of the Sun in 2016 he claimed that the Queen supported Brexit and refused to qualify or provide evidence for that claim. So his opinion, which he is entitled to and which by virtue of his position is entitled to share, might not be exactly balanced.

    The posts which highlight the potential tiny impact of this trade treaty are based on the Government’s own published assessment.

    As all treaties involve an element of sharing sovereignty and acting in accordance with the wishes of other countries I wonder if those who are exercised by such matters think this is a good deal.
     
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    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Any sovereignty shared is minuscule compared with that demanded by EU membership.
     
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    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    So from your perspective sovereignty is not a matter of principle, but one of scale?
     
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    Would the UK have to pay into some rich old men’s pension pot ?
     
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    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    Let’s say no. Is sovereignty as a principle important to you, or was your problem simply the way the EU works (some of which I probably share)?
     
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    Pragmatism comes into it, when a treaty like CPTPP requires so little.
     
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  11. Staines R's

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    Genuinely didn’t give a flying **** about sovereignty and flag shagging stuff. However , when the EU as a whole decided things that went against the principles I believed in, like the free flow of low cost labour as a commodity, then of course I was against it
    The EU in principle would have been a great idea as a trading block, however it is being used as a way for a few old timers to get very rich from the taxes of working class people of the whole of Europe…People like the Kinnocks, Blair and Farage have made a tidy sum out of it….and will continue to do so.
    That, in my opinion, is very wrong. Happy for you to disagree though
     
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  12. sb_73

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    I don’t disagree in terms of the bureaucracy of the EU stinking. I used to think the concept is ok, if we can’t have something radically better, but it’s all irrelevant now, we’ve gone and we aren’t going back, even if the majority of the country want us to.

    I’m just interested in what individuals’ red lines are. If yours are about paying bureaucrats’ pensions, why not so upset at having to pay for the senior British civil servants and your bosses in the ambulance service and so on? It’s not a wind up question, as you should know from me.
     
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  13. kiwiqpr

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    Wow
    A trading block
    What a fantastic idea
    Why didn't we go down that route
     
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    I do think the pay and pension pots of the upper management in the NHS and such is appalling….while all the time those at the bottom are paid pittance. Sadly, in my opinion, whichever government is in power, that will not be changed as it’s never gonna change. They are all as bad as each other.
    Unfortunately this isn’t being discussed in the main, as those in the liberal left seem infatuated by Brexit. Hopefully in the future that will change….however I can’t see it happening in my lifetime
     
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    This really was the place to be as a youth
     
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    Was an absolute ****hole when I was a youth.
     
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    Spent so much of my 18/19/20/21 in the trocadero...arcades, bars.
    Shoot up there on the motorbike.
    Great fun
     
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    Was, is and will continue to be.
     
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    ****ing hell Strolls……that’s a bit much. A mosque is a place of worship and to call it a ****hole is nasty.
    Surprised at you
     
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    Worship? Worship what?
     
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