Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

[The Norton Cat]

You talk about it as bias, I talk about it as values. I don’t care who I offend in saying this and there’ll be a few, but there were a number of voting choices and it was obvious well in advance that Johnson was a bullingdon elite heartless discriminatory lying egotist and anyone choosing that ahead of the others has a lot of peoples suffering on their hands. The defending of them is embarrassing and I’d suggest that anyone still failing to see it are the ones choosing a lens and filter not the people saying it as it is.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

I agree that Johnson, as an individual, is an unpleasant person and a liar. But disliking someone for the school they went to or their background is the same as any other form of bigotry.

You can believe I'm looking at them through a lens, it makes no difference to me, but I can assure you I'm not. I will treat any other party that comes to power the same way, and attempt to understand what they do without any preconceived bias.

 

[Pure River Slut]

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

I agree that Johnson, as an individual, is an unpleasant person and a liar. But disliking someone for the school they went to or their background is the same as any other form of bigotry.

You can believe I'm looking at them through a lens, it makes no difference to me, but I can assure you I'm not. I will treat any other party that comes to power the same way, and attempt to understand what they do without any preconceived bias.

The bullingdon club isn’t just a school though is it. It celebrates its wealth and elite status and scoffs at the poor. Your party elected two of them as leader. And so the poor have suffered

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

You talk about it as bias, I talk about it as values. I don’t care who I offend in saying this and there’ll be a few, but there were a number of voting choices and it was obvious well in advance that Johnson was a bullingdon elite heartless discriminatory lying egotist and anyone choosing that ahead of the others has a lot of peoples suffering on their hands. The defending of them is embarrassing and I’d suggest that anyone still failing to see it are the ones choosing a lens and filter not the people saying it as it is.

There's a diminishing amount of those left thankfully - good post by the way.
I voted for Brexit - would I now? - no way. I'm annoyed I was conned by the lies about the reinvestment into the NHS and I hope the liars get their comeuppance one day because they've harmed so many UK folk.
Thankfully I didn't vote for Bozo but how anyone can say they don't regret voting for him knowing what we do now is in denial unfortunately and not brave enough to admit they were conned imo.

 

[Pure River Slut]

There's a diminishing amount of those left thankfully - good post by the way.
I voted for Brexit - would I now? - no way. I'm annoyed I was conned by the lies about the reinvestment into the NHS and I hope the liars get their comeuppance one day because they've harmed so many UK folk.
Thankfully I didn't vote for Bozo but how anyone can say they don't regret voting for him knowing what we do now is in denial unfortunately and not brave enough to admit they were conned imo.

Brexit wouldn’t have been as harmful had people not elected thinly veiled extremists

 

[DH4]

The bullingdon club isn’t just a school though is it. It celebrates its wealth and elite status and scoffs at the poor. Your party elected two of them as leader. And so the poor have suffered

One of the "initiations" into the Bullingdon club was to burn a £50 note in front of a homeless person. They stood on tables in restaurants shouting "**** the plebs". The members who got into politics basically did that while in office. Putting one of them in charge of the countries finances is akin to putting Dracula in charge of a blood bank

 

[The Norton Cat]

The bullingdon club isn’t just a school though is it. It celebrates its wealth and elite status and scoffs at the poor. Your party elected two of them as leader. And so the poor have suffered

But you're only offended by the Bullingdon club because you've already got a bias against the kind of person who would join it.

What makes it my party then? This is where you let yourself down. Anyone who isn't falling over themselves to stick the knife into the current government must be a Tory , and therefore evil. And there are people who say the same thing if you don't slavishly say that everything Labour do is brilliant. Its completely ridiculous. This is precisely what's wrong with political discussion in this country.

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

But you're only offended by the Bullingdon club because you've already got a bias against the kind of person who would join it.

What makes it my party then? This is where you let yourself down. Anyone who isn't falling over themselves to stick the knife into the current government must be a Tory , and therefore evil. And there are people who say the same thing if you don't slavishly say that everything Labour do is brilliant. Its completely ridiculous. This is precisely what's wrong with political discussion in this country.

I'll take issue with that mate if that's OK?
The poster you replied to clearly said there were other voting options at the last election - definitely didnt say vote Labour or else you're an evil tory . Is that fair?

 

[The Norton Cat]

I'll take issue with that mate if that's OK?
The poster you replied to clearly said there were other voting options at the last election - definitely didnt say vote Labour or else you're an evil tory . Is that fair?

He didn't say that, no. But neither did I, I said:
"Anyone who isn't falling over themselves to stick the knife into the current government must be a Tory , and therefore evil. And there are people who say the same thing if you don't slavishly say that everything Labour do is brilliant."

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

He didn't say that, no. But neither did I, I said:
"Anyone who isn't falling over themselves to stick the knife into the current government must be a Tory , and therefore evil. And there are people who say the same thing if you don't slavishly say that everything Labour do is brilliant."

"There were a number of voting choices"
That's what he said in fairness to that poster

 

[The Norton Cat]

"There were a number of voting choices"
That's what he said in fairness to that poster

He did say that, yes...

 

[Smug in Boots]

He didn't say that, no. But neither did I, I said:
"Anyone who isn't falling over themselves to stick the knife into the current government must be a Tory , and therefore evil. And there are people who say the same thing if you don't slavishly say that everything Labour do is brilliant."

To be fair the current government isn't worthy of much praise and a lot of people are really suffering because of their actions. I've never seen a government fighting itself while failing to govern the country.

Johnson, Truss and Sunak have wasted/cost millions, seen all kinds of terrible records broken, strikes by people who rarely strike and made huge promises they know won't happen.

Do I feel like sticking the knife in, yes to be honest.

 

[The Exile II]

But you're only offended by the Bullingdon club because you've already got a bias against the kind of person who would join it.

What makes it my party then? This is where you let yourself down. Anyone who isn't falling over themselves to stick the knife into the current government must be a Tory , and therefore evil. And there are people who say the same thing if you don't slavishly say that everything Labour do is brilliant. Its completely ridiculous. This is precisely what's wrong with political discussion in this country.

The mask slips every other day now. Blind hatred and jealousy of anyone doing better than they are, regardless of how that money was made.

 

[The Norton Cat]

To be fair the current government isn't worthy of much praise and a lot of people are really suffering because of their actions. I've never seen a government fighting itself whole failing to govern the country.

Johnson, Truss and Sunak have wasted/cost millions, seen all kinds of terrible records broken, strikes by people who rarely strike and made huge promises they know won't happen.

Do I feel like sticking the knife in, yes to be honest.

That's fair enough but there are different ways to approach it and taking a more dispassionate view doesn't make anyone wrong or bad..

 

[The Norton Cat]

The mask slips every other day now. Blind hatred and jealousy of anyone doing better than they are, regardless of how that money was made.

It's not even that for me. It's this 'if you're not with us, you're against us' attitude. Or in some cases, 'demonstrate your allegiance or I will assume your allegiance'.

 

[Smug in Boots]

It's not even that for me. It's this 'if you're not with us, you're against us' attitude. Or in some cases, 'demonstrate your allegiance or I will assume your allegiance'.

Thankfully it's just an insignificant little chat forum and not a privileges committee

 

[Pure River Slut]

But you're only offended by the Bullingdon club because you've already got a bias against the kind of person who would join it.

What makes it my party then? This is where you let yourself down. Anyone who isn't falling over themselves to stick the knife into the current government must be a Tory , and therefore evil. And there are people who say the same thing if you don't slavishly say that everything Labour do is brilliant. It’s completely ridiculous. This is precisely what's wrong with political discussion in this country.

I’m not particularly warm on Labour right now but it’s hard to be as angry at people who have no power so aren’t implementing these obnoxious policies, I’d argue evil policies. Capping benefits while freeloading the top 10% and overseas capitalist Uber rich opportunists wanting to get rich from our middle classes, forcing vulnerable hopeless people onto a plane to somewhere genocidal with little hope for a few hate fuelled brownie points. Your mistake is accepting and even voting for this inhuman approach on the grounds of being open minded. Surrendering the power of every day struggling people to the fee paying elite on the misguided belief that you are being open minded. People probably less well off than us have little choice and need our voice man. There is no defence for this current government’s methodology and philosophy but there are other political options.

 

[Pure River Slut]

The mask slips every other day now. Blind hatred and jealousy of anyone doing better than they are, regardless of how that money was made.

Here comes mastermind

 

[DH4]

"There were a number of voting choices"
That's what he said in fairness to that poster

As they say on the BBC.... Political parties other than the Conservative Party are available.

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

The mask slips every other day now. Blind hatred and jealousy of anyone doing better than they are, regardless of how that money was made.

Jealous of who?
Jealous of what?
Do you ever actually say anything specific?

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

Here comes mastermind

Away with the fairies it seems.
Nobody can criticise anyone who has wealth was the implication I think or else they are just jealous - imagine if our ancestors had tugged their forelocks as much as that one?