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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. StJabbo1

    StJabbo1 Well-Known Member

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    Slack Zac Goldsmith has resigned as a minister at the Foreign Office, accusing Rishi Sunak of being “simply uninterested” in climate change.

    He served as Minister of State for Overseas Territories, Commonwealth, Energy, Climate and Environment, in the Foreign Office, and had been named yesterday as one the Boris Johnson allies set for sanctions for criticising the privileges committee report.
     
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  2. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Yeah of course, I've been very vocal on here in the past on some of these issues in particular gambling and how much that is pushed to people from every corner in the smartphone era.

    Fact remains though that those addicts won't get better if we absolve them of personal responsibility.
     
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    "Only you can bring about the changes you need to improve your health and self esteem" was the reply we gave a friend unhappy with their well being. We gave all the help and support we could and found groups of people in similar situations giving mutual support not just for the individual but also family and friends.
     
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  4. The Ides of March

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    Corrected that for you Jabbo!!
     
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  5. Gregm1988

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    I have decided to give up on trying to convince you with reason, facts and evidence. You just ignore it all. I’m amazed Schad still bothers and you have blocked him

    My reply above is all you really deserve at this point since you just come on here and spout nonsense without evidence and then project your own attitudes to everyone else. And when people prove you wrong you ignore them. There are even examples of you replying to people where you reply to one of four or five thoughts / responses that you think you can twist or wriggle around and ignore all the rest because you have been comprehensively proven wrong and there is no comeback

    What is the point of spending lots of time adding to a discussion when one party in it will just shut it down by pretending you didn’t say anything? Sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting “La La La Biden is both senile but also a supervillain”. So you have some nerve bringing up people who aren’t adding to a discussion

    You don’t want a discussion really. You either want to troll / outrage bait. Or you want to get everyone to agree with you and are furious that they won’t. And I am fully prepared for you to accuse me of the same - projection, as already mentioned, is pretty much your stock and trade - just like the fat orange guy that you are giving loads of slack to.

    If you genuinely want a discussion on topics you are going to need to start proving it by actually acknowledging the counters people make to you even when they prove you completely wrong. Not just cherry picking parts of posts to reply to. But you are under no obligation to do so. You just can’t complain that people won’t engage

    (I am aware this might not be seen by the intended recipient)
     
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  6. tomw24

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    Uncalled for. Kindly refrain from telling other members to **** off please.
     
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  7. StJabbo1

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    Yes.
     
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    Joe Biden has RECENTLY said that Black Americans:
    • can’t get lawyers or accountants
    • don’t know how to get online
    • don’t know how to raise their own children
    • have no diversity of thought
    • are not really Black if they don’t vote for

    All recent, all on video.

    I am simply pointing out that he is as bad as trump. And yet you are saying I’m defending trump.

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    I know you pretend to like evidence so here’s the video:


    100000000x worse than anything Trump has ever said. This is what GENUINE deep seated racism & prejudice looks like
     
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  9. Osvaldorama

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    You and many others will find out just how great this country was as we slide further and further into the descent.

    Has anyone here been to San Francisco recently? And seen the direct results of the woke/liberal/globalist policies?

    It’s an utter **** show. And the people that created that dumpster fire are trying to spread their ideas globally via social media. Problem is - it’s working
     
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  10. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Humanity is at it’s best when we operate collectively, and work together for the common good. But that has to be a voluntary condition, you can’t impose it on people.

    Too much dog-eat-cat, unregulated capitalism encourages all the most selfish and destructive tendencies in the human spirit. But an overly interventionist state imposing itself on every area of people’s lives is equally destructive to the human spirit.

    We have to become better people, more compassionate and more considerate; but we have to do it because we want to do it, not because we are compelled to.
     
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  11. StJabbo1

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    There's another take on this other than the rabid maga mob.
     
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    Great is subjective, but we were/are definitely in the top 5% of countries for quality of life and although not a US level superpower we were definitely part of the next tier alongside France, Germany, Japan etc...

    When discussing the state of the country we need to move away from extreme descriptions which discredit genuine discussion.

    On the one hand this is still one of the best countries to live in and we should appreciate that fact, too many just wallow and claim the country is an embarrassment, these discussions tend to end up being nonproductive. This is an issue that tends to pervade some elements of the left.

    On the other it is definitely in decline on a sharper level than comparative nations, my partner is from a provincial city in the Philippines and she now regularly mentions how noticeable the decline has been here since she moved over in 2018 so it isn't just our own perception. Denial and hubris over this tends to pervade elements of the right, especially those on the side of the current government.

    We are in a tricky situation, but the UK does have the capability to turn this around. However it is likely to be a fairly drawn out and arduous process and some home truths need to be learned before we can get there, namely;

    - Strong public services and infrastructure are likely to mean greater taxation, these things do not come for free. But we must invest in them if we are to get on top of this situation.

    - The UK will never thrive outside of the European single market in the way it did before and ultimately if we want to arrest the slide we need to attempt to rejoin it.

    - Immigration is required to maintain our services unless significant investment is put into training and educating our own population, this has been slashed.

    - Our adversarial political system is failing and must be reformed to one that forces greater co-operation.

    - Housing should be viewed as an essential, not an investment. We need a concrete plan for mass development of affordable housing, NIMBYism for the sake of NIMBYism must be battled, however new developments must be matched by infrastructure development including schools, GPs, roads, public transport options, this will cost the country money, but it is necessary to help it country thrive.

    None of that is guaranteed, but these are some of the things that need to happen to get the country back on its feet, we either acknowledge this or accept further decline.
     
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  13. Osvaldorama

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    Are you mental? Those are not AI generated.

    You accuse me of being a loony and then want to ignore the evidence of your own eyes.

    I am telling you he is worse than Trump.
     
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  14. The Ides of March

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    Spot on!!
     
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    If you give credence to mazemoore mash ups as you do other debunked nonsense you post links to then you are the one who's mental state is in question. Check the other stuff he's twitterd Musk stuff and more, no pretence of truth. By the way I haven't accused you of lunacy, disillusioned may apply if you actually believe the bullshit you put on here.
     
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    You don’t need to decontextualise Trump to make him look like a subpar human being, but way too much effort is put into decontextualising Biden.

    For example:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-biden-comment-doomed-us-idUSKBN29R2BO

    I am not defending Biden, by the way. He is way too old to be President of anything, but the right are pretty amazing at smearing people.
     
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    Seen from overseas the national self harm brexit and the way it has been implemented has bemuses many of our friends and acquaintances. Most are return visitors to the country who are dismayed at the decline. One mixed race couple got a feel of the hostile attitude of the border force and aren't likely to be visiting again. The UK is perceived as having gone from a position of respect and influence to one as a bit player with falling standards and quality of life.

    Joining the single market and customs union and accepting the responsibilities that brings would go a long way in improving relations with the EU. Little chance of that without a radical change of view from either of the main political parties.

    Have a good weekend all. My garden could do with more than the bit of rain that's forecast.
     
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    Both old farts ought to be out to pasture and the US has an electoral system as much in need of reform as ours.
     
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    If you can’t see that the things Biden says are fundamentally, truly racist and prejudicial in a way that Trump has never said then I can’t help you.

    Watch that video and listen to those quotes
     
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    Once again you are attacking the source instead of the content.

    Many of the things Biden says in that video are disgusting. Much worse than anything Trump has ever said.

    Yet he gets a totally free pass. You have to ask yourself - why?
     
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