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Pep has now won the lot.
Will he stay or will he go?
No reason for him to leave honestly. Built probably the best team in the world and they're all young.
Why go?
Will he stay or will he go?
No reason for him to leave honestly. Built probably the best team in the world and they're all young.
Why go?
Think he was lucky to get to City when he did - they were able to take advantage of a laxer approach to enforcement of FFP than is in place now and at the same time they have developed an excellent youth academy. With their revenue now they can keep buying top players. Anywhere else he goes it will be a lot more difficult to replicate the success he has had.
Could see him leaving if anything happens to City over these allegations of financial rule breaches but I suspect not much will.
If he went anywhere it would be PSG.
Can’t say I agree that City have developed an excellent youth academy. Buy up as much of the young talent as you can, farm them out on loan when they’re old enough and cherry pick the best ones and dump the rest.
Cole Palmer and Phil Foden came directly from their youth academy. Didn’t buy them from anybody. That’s Chelsea. Yes they will have bought some youth in just like we have done so
This is his problem I suppose. He's running out of clubs that can just dominate by default.
Wherever he goes it's going to be difficult, PSG is his only option.
Agree Chelsea are probably the biggest offenders but, for example, City last season had 38 players out on loan with about 27 of them youth players. I can’t find this season’s number at a quick search.
Rules are looking to be changed because of this system.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...3-club-group-accused-stockpiling-players.html
That’s not what I call an excellent youth academy. For me it’s an abusive use of young kids. And 2 players from 10 years of that system also isn’t great either.
Yes, we look as though we might be going down that route once we catch up but I hope the rules have been changed before we do the same.
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A good youth academy should have loads of players out on loan. Shows they have done a good job. The facilities at the Man City academy are out of this world and the effort they put in with local schools to develop talent for the academy is also exemplary.
We have a long way to go.
Wish we were in for Romeo Lavia, another of their academy players, now at Southampton. He would be ideal for us.
Good for who though?
I’m not disputing that they have excellent facilities as money can do that. I’m not disputing that it’s good for City either. They probably do a lot in the local community as well as it’s good pr.
It’s not good for the kids though as the ‘success’ rate of making the first team shows. It’s not good for football as the intent to change the rules shows. Ultimately, in my naive World, Academies should be good for everyone especially the kids and City’s, IMO, fails on that score.
Also disagree with the concept of an Academy having lots of kids out on loan.
The way I look at youth academy success is the nationalities of the youth. In Man City’s example 90% are foreign. Which means they have brought in the world already known top talent.
My personal opinion of a successful youth setup is if it has a lot of local regional talent being brought on.
Our new "youth efforts" appears to be signing players around 21 years old and paying millions for them, not to mention idiotic wage bills.
Signing Ugandan teenagers playing in the German second division.
Completely disagree with it and think NUFC are ultimately just wasting money.
Harrison Ashby from West Ham is my prime example. Not a single young player in the North East could develop skills on par with him? Really? I refuse to believe it.
The lad has played like 3 times and was sold by West Ham.
Signing Ugandan teenagers playing in the German second division.
Completely disagree with it and think NUFC are ultimately just wasting money.
Harrison Ashby from West Ham is my prime example. Not a single young player in the North East could develop skills on par with him? Really? I refuse to believe it.
The lad has played like 3 times and was sold by West Ham.
Got banned from PL board for saying Man U fans are the most arrogant and aggressive fans i've seen in Newcastle and posting this vid, hehe.
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They have 4 players in the current first team squad who have come up through their Academy and EDS. Their academy is 90% Manchester-born.
What you seem to be arguing for is smaller academies, which will be to the detriment of youth players generally.
The loan system is a natural step in player progression. It also provides opportunities for them. If they are good enough they go back to the parent club. If they are not they have a chance to sign for a lower club.
Have you actually had a look at the Man City Academy - 90% of them were born in Manchester.
Unfortunately whilst we look on with envy, Man City are the pinnacle of world football. The best players, the best run, the best manager, the best system, the best set up.
And whilst they bent rules to do it, the rules were stupid and only there to protect the old guard. City don’t owe anyone any money, which is allegedly what ffp is there for.
And whilst they bent rules to do it, the rules were stupid and only there to protect the old guard. City don’t owe anyone any money, which is allegedly what ffp is there for.
In no particular order.
1 The loan system isn't a natural step. That has only come in to play in its current state since Chelsea started to buy up all the kids.
2. Now City and Chelsea in particular make money out of the loan system. What happened before was some of those kids would be at lower league clubs who wouldn't then be having to pay for the privilege of helping City give their up and coming players a game. If they were good enough that lower league club could sell that player to City and make money to keep them solvent.
3 It's not so much the academy system that is wrong but how the loan system is then abused to the advantage of the mega rich clubs by using academy players that is wrong. A solution. Ban loans except in an emergency and then watch young kids find their level more quickly and play more games and how City suddenly stop having such a large academy . Also ban loan fees.
Too many kids are having false dreams held out to them and not to their advantage. Big isn't always beautiful.
For me it works for City and Chelsea and to a lesser extent other PL Clubs but we should be looking at what is best for those kids first (not just the few that make it) and football second.
it’s probably the first CL game they have sold out…