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ellandback

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If our Championship winning squad of three years ago were to play a Leeds line up of last season, who would come out triumphant?

On paper, the current crop of wage thieves should make easy work of Bielsa's young guns, but having just watched re-runs of our title winning campaign, I'm not so sure.


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Look at some of the goals we score in that video, and how good we were.

We are nowhere near that quality now.
 
Who wins this:-

Casilla
Ayling
Alioski
White
Cooper
Phillips
Costa
Klich
Bamford
Hernandez
Harrison

Coach -: J Marsch


v

Meslier
Kristensen
Firpo
Koch
Wober
Adams
Summerville
Roca
Rodrigo
Sinisterra
Gnonto

Coach: M Bielsa
 
ellandback said:
Who wins this:-

Casilla
Ayling
Alioski
White
Cooper
Phillips
Costa
Klich
Bamford
Hernandez
Harrison

Coach -: J Marsch


v

Meslier
Kristensen
Firpo
Koch
Wober
Adams
Summerville
Roca
Rodrigo
Sinisterra
Gnonto

Coach: M Bielsa
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As a one off head to head the Bielsa team. Over a season in the PL a hard one to call, Sinisterra and Rodrigo get injured far too much, the Jesse team would rely too much on Pablo but the games he did play in, he’d win you points
 
For all everyone loves to talk about the happy days when we were superfit under Bielsa (which we undoubtedly were) whilst ignoring how we capitulated towards the end of that first season and how jiggered the players all were by his final season. Does anyone question why no other clubs go in for these Bielsa training methods? Are these other clubs all clueless like the Marsch/Gracia regimes. Or is there a reason why other sports scientists at other (let's be honest, more successful) clubs than us choose not to flog their horses to the same degree.

I don't have a horse in this race to the glue factory, I see the arguments for and against 'pushing the boundaries' as Rob Price called it. Just putting it out there, don't shoot the messenger :bandit:
 
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milkyboy said:
For all everyone loves to talk about the happy days when we were superfit under Bielsa (which we undoubtedly were) whilst ignoring how we capitulated towards the end of that first season and how jiggered the players all were by his final season. Does anyone question why no other clubs go in for these Bielsa training methods? Are these other clubs all clueless like the Marsch/Gracia regimes. Or is there a reason why other sports scientists at other (let's be honest, more successful) clubs than us choose not to flog their horses to the same degree.

I don't have a horse in this race to the glue factory, I see the arguments for and against 'pushing the boundaries' as Rob Price called it. Just putting it out there, don't shoot the messenger :bandit:
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You should stop this they don't like it up em you know. It's like a cult thing where they follow to the death totally under the leaders power.
 
milkyboy said:
For all everyone loves to talk about the happy days when we were superfit under Bielsa (which we undoubtedly were) whilst ignoring how we capitulated towards the end of that first season and how jiggered the players all were by his final season. Does anyone question why no other clubs go in for these Bielsa training methods? Are these other clubs all clueless like the Marsch/Gracia regimes. Or is there a reason why other sports scientists at other (let's be honest, more successful) clubs than us choose not to flog their horses to the same degree.

I don't have a horse in this race to the glue factory, I see the arguments for and against 'pushing the boundaries' as Rob Price called it. Just putting it out there, don't shoot the messenger :bandit:
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Because it’s acknowledged that the Bielsa model requires a turn around of players and some of the prima donnas wouldn’t accept the training regime. It doesn’t excuse Marsch relaxing the training to the point that in the words of Ayling, the team had nothing more to give after 45 minutes. And actually I think Pep and Poch demand similar fitness levels.
 
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Leedsoflondon said:
Because it’s acknowledged that the Bielsa model requires a turn around of players and some of the prima donnas wouldn’t accept the training regime. It doesn’t excuse Marsch relaxing the training to the point that in the words of Ayling, the team had nothing more to give after 45 minutes. And actually I think Pep and Poch demand similar fitness levels.
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Exactly Kalvin Phillips was dropped from training with City's first team squad for being only 1kg or 2kg over his optimum weight. Put simply players need this type of discipline otherwise they end up like our lot and can't compete for the full 90 mins <ok>
 
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Leedsoflondon said:
Because it’s acknowledged that the Bielsa model requires a turn around of players and some of the prima donnas wouldn’t accept the training regime. It doesn’t excuse Marsch relaxing the training to the point that in the words of Ayling, the team had nothing more to give after 45 minutes. And actually I think Pep and Poch demand similar fitness levels.
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One big difference in pep and Bielsa is pep has no problem dealing with a huge squad and keeping them all happy. Bielsa seemed to only want the tiniest of squads or maybe that’s all he was given. That cost him big time when injuries hit
 
Leedsoflondon said:
Because it’s acknowledged that the Bielsa model requires a turn around of players and some of the prima donnas wouldn’t accept the training regime. It doesn’t excuse Marsch relaxing the training to the point that in the words of Ayling, the team had nothing more to give after 45 minutes. And actually I think Pep and Poch demand similar fitness levels.
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Well you're acknowledging it. Plenty don't.

Your example re Ayling is from more than 3 months after marsch left. Do Pep and Poch have the same burnout levels as Bielsa? Point is all premier league teams have serious weight targets and fitness regimes. Some are tougher than others and it's usually on the recommendations of the sports performance guys not the coach. Bielsa has his own ideas. I'm not saying they're wrong, just that they aren't universally adopted.
 
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