Match Day Thread General matchday thread.

[Gessa]

I think all 3 going down are going to be strong. I'm more aware of Leicester's financial issues than I am Leeds and Southampton.

Southampton could find Armstrong blasts them to the title as he's deadly at that level.

Leeds may be able to get away without losing too many players and will be strong and Leicester will have the benefit of a decent transfer budget you'd expect.

Mate we're in disarray, the ownership issue is a farce, no dof and any player we'd want to keep will be gone. I'll be amazed as things stand if we finish any higher than mid table

 

[Gessa]

Have Leeds sacked Sam or are they sticking with him?

Reports today,he's in talks with the club but can't see it myself. Can't see us talking to anyone until we know who's going yo be actually running the club.

 

[Welshie]

No idea, think he's walked off. His last interview was basically a shot at them just not being good enough. Not sure about Southampton manager or Leicester manager either.

Leicester mays well just keep Dean Smith tbh, I don't see a point in changing the current manager team. They actually improved under them in the end, just give them a shot at it.

Saints sacked their fella so are looking.

 

[Welshie]

Reports today,he's in talks with the club but can't see it myself. Can't see us talking to anyone until we know who's going yo be actually running the club.

What would you prefer? Just keep him in?

Might give you lot a steady hand for now, and he has gotten teams back up before

 

[Gessa]

What would you prefer? Just keep him in?

Might give you lot a steady hand for now, and he has gotten teams back up before

When he came in for the 4 games it was a pretty thankless task and initially I thought we could do worse than keep him for the Championship but the way he's thrown the players under the bus basically distancing himself of any blame , which I know he was never going to keep us up, but the way he did it left a bad taste for me and I'd much prefer someone else. The team selection yesterday was pathetic and throwing young Rutter on after basically saying he was no better than useless was outrageous.

 

[FosseFilberto]

TBF, unless you are the current holders of either a title or trophy, it’s all history no matter how you try to dress it up and pretend that it only matters because it has a PL in front of it or the cup was televised in colour! I do find it funny that Fosse gets into a pissing contest with fans of clubs who have been significantly more successful than Leicester.

Probably not quite as funny as I find it ...

 

[Welshie]

When he came in for the 4 games it was a pretty thankless task and initially I thought we could do worse than keep him for the Championship but the way he's thrown the players under the bus basically distancing himself of any blame , which I know he was never going to keep us up, but the way he did it left a bad taste for me and I'd much prefer someone else. The team selection yesterday was pathetic and throwing young Rutter on after basically saying he was no better than useless was outrageous.

He has an ego like, no doubt, but even for a short term he might be an option to keep you lot afloat.

Playing devils advocate really, I heard the same stuff about Bruce with us and wanted him gone no matter what, they're the same ilk.

 

[GodAlmighty]

Lampard might not be bad shout for a ........

sorry sorry I just can't do it

 

[Gessa]

He has an ego like, no doubt, but even for a short term he might be an option to keep you lot afloat.

Playing devils advocate really, I heard the same stuff about Bruce with us and wanted him gone no matter what, they're the same ilk.

Dinosaurs of the game, the games moved on, they haven't. The problem is who are we going to get, I've heard a few whispers Gerrard has touted himself for the job but his style at Villa was ****e. Its all very frustrating atm, everything is up in the air, apparently any player that wants to leave had been asked to put in a formal request by 6pm tonight, so the club can move forward but how can we move forward when the owner is trying to buy Sampadoria and the 49ers who were supposed to takeover the club but have now apparently decided not to take up the option as we've been relegated. A complete new ownership would be the first decent sign of moving on.

 

[KingHotspur]

Only Man City and Newcastle United spend money in this league lol

oh wait

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It’s how they got their money though. The other sides spend but have spent years building up their income. City and Newcastle got taken over and instantly became rich.

 

[brb]

Dinosaurs of the game, the games moved on, they haven't. The problem is who are we going to get, I've heard a few whispers Gerrard has touted himself for the job but his style at Villa was ****e. Its all very frustrating atm, everything is up in the air, apparently any player that wants to leave had been asked to put in a formal request by 6pm tonight, so the club can move forward but how can we move forward when the owner is trying to buy Sampadoria and the 49ers who were supposed to takeover the club but have now apparently decided not to take up the option as we've been relegated. A complete new ownership would be the first decent sign of moving on.

Gerrard

 

[Gessa]

Gerrard

I know.

 

[Dier Hard]

Mate we're in disarray, the ownership issue is a farce, no dof and any player we'd want to keep will be gone. I'll be amazed as things stand if we finish any higher than mid table

Same, same.

 

[Gessa]

Same, same.

I think you've got a big job on your hands this close season or you could well be a mid table team, which seems ridiculous. I've hardly been impressed anytime I've seen you play this season....yesterday doesn't count...only because I was in a field and didn't see it

 

[GodAlmighty]

It’s how they got their money though. The other sides spend but have spent years building up their income. City and Newcastle got taken over and instantly became rich.

Think you'll find we were well richer than you and most other clubs till the fat slug took us over and syphoned everything off for £1 a shot, contracted every thing out for peanuts and did **** all with our commercial incomes, whilst telling every simpleton that would listen that he'd saved us from the abyss.

 

[Welshie]

It’s how they got their money though. The other sides spend but have spent years building up their income. City and Newcastle got taken over and instantly became rich.

So, Chelsea, Forest, West Ham, Wolves, Leeds and Tottenham have spent years building up revenue the right way have they? What, pocket change in the piggy bank? Saving for a rainy day? Not billionaire owners spending millions upon millions like. No siree.

I'm reckoning that Tottenhams er ... "success" was due to local funds from hard working Spurs fans? Not the billion dollar group ENIC, who gained massive wealth from plundering the British stock market during financial crises?

 

[Dier Hard]

I think you've got a big job on your hands this close season or you could well be a mid table team, which seems ridiculous. I've hardly been impressed anytime I've seen you play this season....yesterday doesn't count...only because I was in a field and didn't see it

I’ve already said on our board we’re basically a Kane transfer away from basically being a bottom half side like West Ham.

There’s about 5 players genuinely worth keeping out of about 30 players when including senior ones out on loan. Scary how bad we’ve fallen off.

 

[haslam]

It’s how they got their money though. The other sides spend but have spent years building up their income. City and Newcastle got taken over and instantly became rich.

This is only semi-true in our regard. It would be perfectly possible for a new owner to come in and spend the amounts we have without investing into the club externally - we had around 70m in the accounts already (pre-buyout) and due to a few ways Ashley ran the club we had a lot of possibility of raising revenues in the ways most clubs do that he never used (unlike most clubs we used money from the previous season rather than the prospective season for transfers, meaning at any time we could have changed to borrowing against guaranteed future earnings like, as far as I am aware, pretty much every other club does). Add in other factors like we were still getting money from previous sales (as we almost always sold in installments so even players like Perez were still bringing in money) but had nothing outstanding on purchases (we always bought all up front) and the reality is that £200 million over the 2 seasons actually could have come entirely from the clubs generated income and money already in house.

I'm certain it wasn't as they'll not want to have burnt through it all so will have invested. The key difference isn't what we have spent it's that we're probably going to spend more but rest assured anyone could have bought the club and spent the numbers we've spent so far without investing any of their own money. It would be madness to have actually done it all from in-house money though as we'd have gone from a club with good reserves and lots of future proofing to one on the edge.

As for not having spent years building up our income that's exactly one of the major issues the fanbase had with Ashley, he had zero interest in it. Money was syphoned from the club through sponsorship and merchandise deals with generated no money for the club whatsoever.

 

[GodAlmighty]

I’ve already said on our board we’re basically a Kane transfer away from basically being a bottom half side like West Ham.

There’s about 5 players genuinely worth keeping out of about 30 players when including senior ones out on loan. Scary how bad we’ve fallen off.

Thing is a good manager with a good work ethos will find a way to bring players you think are **** back to their best. I thought there was no hope for about 23 of our 25 man squad 18 months ago. With only Wilson and ASM worth keeping. Now if a decent offer came in for those 2 I'd wish them well.

 

[brb]

This is only semi-true in our regard. It would be perfectly possible for a new owner to come in and spend the amounts we have without investing into the club externally - we had around 70m in the accounts already (pre-buyout) and due to a few ways Ashley ran the club we had a lot of possibility of raising revenues in the ways most clubs do that he never used (unlike most clubs we used money from the previous season rather than the prospective season for transfers, meaning at any time we could have changed to borrowing against guaranteed future earnings like, as far as I am aware, pretty much every other club does). Add in other factors like we were still getting money from previous sales (as we almost always sold in installments so even players like Perez were still bringing in money) but had nothing outstanding on purchases (we always bought all up front) and the reality is that £200 million over the 2 seasons actually could have come entirely from the clubs generated income and money already in house.

I'm certain it wasn't as they'll not want to have burnt through it all so will have invested. The key difference isn't what we have spent it's that we're probably going to spend more but rest assured anyone could have bought the club and spent the numbers we've spent so far without investing any of their own money. It would be madness to have actually done it all from in-house money though as we'd have gone from a club with good reserves and lots of future proofing to one on the edge.

As for not having spent years building up our income that's exactly one of the major issues the fanbase had with Ashley, he had zero interest in it. Money was syphoned from the club through sponsorship and merchandise deals with generated no money for the club whatsoever.

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