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[brb]

Blair and Brown financially managed the war in Ukraine and a global pandemic far better than the Tories.

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[duggie2000]

The debt was much higher than anything under Blair/Brown before Covid.

Speaking from very personal experience with a very large debt until you reach the tipping point where you are paying off at least 50% more of the debit than you are paying to manage the debt the debt just gets bigger

 

[Treble]

COVID and the furlough money cost us more than anyone could've imagined, however if they had not paid people to stay at home they would have been accused of murdering thousands of people to save money, no win situation whoever was in charge

The same can be said of the illegal Iraq war, the carnage in the Middle East, ISIS, the underground bombings, and the global credit crunch.

And yet we were still in a better position in terms of our economy and public services at the point the Tories took over.

 

[Saf]

The same can be said of the illegal Iraq war, the carnage in the Middle East, ISIS, the underground bombings, and the global credit crunch.

And yet we were still in a better position in terms of our economy and public services at the point the Tories took over.

You can't guarantee the Tories would have made up a load of lies to create a reason for an invasion.

 

[Treble]

You can't guarantee the Tories would have made up a load of lies to create a reason for an invasion.

Well yeh I can seeing as they all voted for it

 

[brb]

The same can be said of the illegal Iraq war, the carnage in the Middle East, ISIS, the underground bombings, and the global credit crunch.

And yet we were still in a better position in terms of our economy and public services at the point the Tories took over.

I still struggle to understand why people hold Blair up as some gift to politics, he's a mass murderer and war criminal, for me it's as bad as someone someone praising Saville for his charity work.

 

[Saf]

Well yeh I can seeing as they all voted for it

Me and you would have voted for it if we were presented with the lies and made up evidence that were put forward for an invasion.

Labour made it all up. Theres nothing to suggest that the Tories would have done that.

 

[Treble]

I still struggle to understand why people hold Blair up as some gift to politics, he's a mass murderer and war criminal, for me it's as bad as someone someone praising Saville for his charity work.

I personally don't know anyone that does tbh

 

[Treble]

Me and you would have voted for it if we were presented with the lies and made up evidence that were put forward for an invasion.

Labour made it all up. Theres nothing to suggest that the Tories would have done that.

They were the opposition. It was kind of their job. They failed in their duty bcos they were happy to back the lies.

Everyone knew at the time. Hence why the million ppl marching before the vote.

 

[Saf]

They were the opposition. It was kind of their job. They failed in their duty bcos they were happy to back the lies.

Everyone knew at the time. Hence why the million ppl marching before the vote.

That's nonsense, mate.

Everybody was told and the politicians were assured that Iraq had WMD's that were a danger to our security. Of course they'd vote the way that they did. Take away the Labour lies about WMD's and they may well have voted against the invasion.

 

[Treble]

That's nonsense, mate.

Everybody was told and the politicians were assured that Iraq had WMD's that were a danger to our security. Of course they'd vote the way that they did. Take away the Labour lies about WMD's and they may well have voted against the invasion.

Why wouldn't they question the lies? The dodgy dossier, or the fake post grad thesis presented to the U.N?

Nobody believed it, did you?

 

[brb]

That's nonsense, mate.

Everybody was told and the politicians were assured that Iraq had WMD's that were a danger to our security. Of course they'd vote the way that they did. Take away the Labour lies about WMD's and they may well have voted against the invasion.

I think he's the most deceitful man of my lifetime. I absolutely detest him. It angers me that media still give him airtime.

 

[duggie2000]

I think he's the most decietful man of my lifetime. I absolutely detest him. It angers me that media still give him airtime.

Blair and Bush should be rotting in jail or hanging off a scaffold for war crimes and Brown should rotting in jail for Grand Larceny, but that is just my unbiased opinion

Maybe the only hope is for a cross party coalition as long as it did not include the current Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet, they would just spend all day hurling insults across the cabinet table, I am sure (hopefully) that there are at least some genuine Conservatives and Socialists to form most of the Cabinet and a few from the minority parties

 

[Welshie]

Maggie Thatcher ****ed it all up bruv. Turned us into a dog-eat-cat society, every man for himself and **** the poor, the weak and the lame. We used to look after each other in this country, now we just hurry on by, ignoring the people sleeping in doorways.

Maggie famously said there is no such thing as a society, right?

 

[Treble]

I think he's the most deceitful man of my lifetime. I absolutely detest him. It angers me that media still give him airtime.

Thatcher, Bojo and the current morally bankrupt mob still outnumber him tbf.

 

[Welshie]

I personally don't think Teflon Tony was that bad a Prime Minister, I think Brown was a particularly poor Chancellor however. That being said, I honestly think Brown was left with one of the worst situations a PM can be left with and managed it generally well, he could have kept Labour in with a minority government in the end.

Cameron himself, wasn't that bad a PM either, but I think he was significantly better when he could pad his cabinet with a few intelligent Lib Dem MPs. The Lib Dem, Tory government was far better than the purely Tory one that followed.

I have no doubt Starmer will be the next PM, but I suspect he will be a particularly **** one.

 

[brb]

Thatcher, Bojo and the current morally bankrupt mob still outnumber him tbf.

Nope not for me, not even with them two and the mob combined, metaphorically speaking I'd happily put a bullet in him, told you this before.

 

[duggie2000]

I personally don't think Teflon Tony was that bad a Prime Minister, I think Brown was a particularly poor Chancellor however. That being said, I honestly think Brown was left with one of the worst situations a PM can be left with and managed it generally well, he could have kept Labour in with a minority government in the end.

Cameron himself, wasn't that bad a PM either, but I think he was significantly better when he could pad his cabinet with a few intelligent Lib Dem MPs. The Lib Dem, Tory government was far better than the purely Tory one that followed.

I have no doubt Starmer will be the next PM, but I suspect he will be a particularly **** one.

I agree apart from Teflon Tony

 

[Welshie]

I agree apart from Teflon Tony

Fair enough mate, I am fully aware that is one of my more outlandish opinions.

Gotta remember, look at my age. I was still in school when Blair was PM, so for me it's a big heap of nostalgia. I associate Blair with, everyone had a job, we were care free and he seemed a nice enough fella on the telly.

I personally put most of the blame for our geopolitics at the feet of Dick Cheney and his mob.

 

[Welshie]

Another hot take, if Ed Miliband was given another crack at being the Labour leader today, given his better experience and calmer head

He would absolutely wipe the floor with Sunak.

Impressed me a lot when he covered for Starmer in the commons a few months back.