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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    That's a prediction for 2023. Before that, we were top. That's how it goes, Brexit or no Brexit.
     
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  2. Star of David Bardsley

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    It’s how it goes if you’re selective and disingenuous about the time period you choose to use.
     
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  3. Staines R's

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    You just ignore any question I ask you so I tend not to bother
     
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  4. Goldhawk-Road

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    Tell me the time period you'd choose and why
     
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  5. Toby

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    Which questions? I've tried to answer everything that I've been asked.
     
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  6. kiwiqpr

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    Ukrainians attacking targets in Russia seems fair enough
     
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  7. Toby

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    This is the last thing you posted aimed at me. I looked vack previously and didn't see me avoiding any of your questions. If I have let me know and I'll be happy to answer. Or was your reply just an excuse?
     
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  8. Toby

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    They were Russians taking photos in Russia, no Ukrainian involvement at all. The guy in the photos is a known leader of an anti-Putin movement. There's no proof of anyone being killed either.
     
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  9. Staines R's

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    During a conversation about how, in your opinion, Ukraine is not a racist country….I asked you about how come the anti-Semite, nationalist Stepan Bandera is now becoming even more popular…..? It just seems hardly someone that a progressive, non racist country would have as a national hero, with museums in his memory.
    Maybe you missed it….don’t get me wrong, as I’ve said many times before, I’m NOT a lover of Putin and what Russia has done is absolutely wrong and obscene…..however I can’t get with the whole “Slava Ukraine” thing and now see the country as a bastion of democracy..which I feel it really isn’t .
    We might not agree on things, but I respect your opinions.
     
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  10. Staines R's

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    If you want to be rude and accuse me of making excuses mate….I can play the game as well.
    I’m trying to be respectful
     
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  11. Toby

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    Bandera was a ****, he shouldn't be revered. His appeal to some was his aim of creating a Ukrainian state instead of being part of the USSR, but that doesn't forgive his actions or beliefs. Ukrainians had been oppressed for ages and he was the first one to fight for them.

    We live in the UK, Churchill is revered here and his views aren't considered either <laugh>
     
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  12. Star of David Bardsley

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    Comparing to pre-pandemic seems fairer than arbitrarily choosing the year we bounced back most after declining hardest the year previously (and still netting out at a decline).

    No prizes for guessing which figure is still trumpeted by the government and clung onto by economically illiterate Brexity plebs.
     
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  13. Goldhawk-Road

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    Comparing pre-pandemic with what, bearing in mind we didn't leave the EU until Jan 2020?
     
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  15. Goldhawk-Road

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    Have you seen how Germany is doing? How much of that is down to Brexit?
     
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  16. Staines R's

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    But the fact is he IS revered….he has museums, statues and roads named in his honour. His popularity and esteem is growing in Ukraine…..he was a Nazi collaborator (until he upset them) and a rabid anti-Semite, involved in the murder of both Jews and Poles. Surely this cannot and should not be ignored ?
    Funny I did think of Churchill earlier….but we in this country ARE considering his views and wrong doings….we’re looking back and questioning his views. Isn’t that the right thing to do ?
     
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    Not at all…..just pointing out that possibly the forecasters that a lot of Neo-Liberal flag shaggers seem to revere when they come out with anti-Brexit doom mongering, might sometimes be wrong
     
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  18. Star of David Bardsley

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    Comparing it with… now.
     
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  19. Goldhawk-Road

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    That is relevant to the damage the Pandemic did to the economy, indeed to many countries. But it has nothing to do with Brexit, because the Pandemic started literally the same month as Brexit became law.
     
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  20. Stroller

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    How much would you say the UK economy has benefitted from Brexit then?
     
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