Match Day Thread Chelsea v Leeds Utd

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Gracia may not be better than Jesse as a coach, if he isn’t we’ve managed to find 2 of the worst three coaches the PL has seen this season. If Gracia is garbage, it doesn’t mean Jesse wasn’t. Jesse fans can claim a hollow victory if Gracia fails if they like, but it won’t mean Jesse was good.

Talking of hypocrisy and double standards; some wanted to give Jesse a full preseason, a year in the job and a two transfer windows. They then feel it’s fair to compare a coach who’s been in the job two weeks, just saying ;)
 
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ristac said:
Gracia may not be better than Jesse as a coach, if he isn’t we’ve managed to find 2 of the worst three coaches the PL has seen this season. If Gracia is garbage, it doesn’t mean Jesse wasn’t. Jesse fans can claim a hollow victory if Gracia fails if they like, but it won’t mean Jesse was good.

Talking of hypocrisy and double standards; some wanted to give Jesse a full preseason, a year in the job and a two transfer windows. They then feel it’s fair to compare a coach who’s been in the job two weeks, just saying ;)
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There are more and more stories coming out of ER/TA now about Marsche and his ineptitude.

Seemed like a nice guy but other than 'get into em' there wasn't much substance to his methods.
 
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ristac said:
Should have asked me I could have saved the club a fortune ;)
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One of the reasons Jesse was given so much time by the fans is we were fed the story that club had been lining him up for many months to succeed Bielsa and his appointment was not a knee jerk reaction. It was natural to assume he knew his stuff. In the end he was just another daft appointment
 
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ristac said:
Gracia may not be better than Jesse as a coach, if he isn’t we’ve managed to find 2 of the worst three coaches the PL has seen this season. If Gracia is garbage, it doesn’t mean Jesse wasn’t. Jesse fans can claim a hollow victory if Gracia fails if they like, but it won’t mean Jesse was good.

Talking of hypocrisy and double standards; some wanted to give Jesse a full preseason, a year in the job and a two transfer windows. They then feel it’s fair to compare a coach who’s been in the job two weeks, just saying ;)
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You're wrong.

The people saying Javi is the saviour of the club after a handful of games where we've not been much, if any, better than we have been for the last 18 months.

I'm still behind Javi and hopefully he can get the lads performing better than they currently are. His issue is that it takes time as you alluded to above. A couple of windows and some time to implement his style on the squad is needed.
 
Eireleeds1 said:
One of the reasons Jesse was given so much time by the fans is we were fed the story that club had been lining him up for many months to succeed Bielsa and his appointment was not a knee jerk reaction. It was natural to assume he knew his stuff. In the end he was just another daft appointment
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To be fair to Marsche I'd imagine he's one of those type of coaches that if his team get on a a roll, winning games and full of confidence then his man management style comes to the fore. Unfortunately that didn't happen with us and he's not really the training ground guru who can tweak and fix things when results are making you nosedive. Not many are to be fair and that's probably why there's such a high turnover of coaches in professional football.
 
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Jammy 07 said:
Would love to see DJ back with us next season.

Maybe even convert him into a full back to give Ayling and/or Firpo a run for their money.

Incidentally that ****show Firpo was outstanding against Brentford on the last day when it mattered most.
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No he wasn't. He gave Brentford a great chance after defending square on and getting nutmegged 1st half. That schoolboy defending nearly relegated us. No point playing ok for 89 minutes a game and then gifting the opposition clear cut chances in the other minute.

Firpo has probably had 3 acceptable games and 1 good game in 18 months. Even you say you want to play Dan James there which shows you think he's nowhere near the standard required.
 
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Jammy 07 said:
To be fair to Marsche I'd imagine he's one of those type of coaches that if his team get on a a roll, winning games and full of confidence then his man management style comes to the fore. Unfortunately that didn't happen with us and he's not really the training ground guru who can tweak and fix things when results are making you nosedive. Not many are to be fair and that's probably why there's such a high turnover of coaches in professional football.
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I'm surprised that you don't think he tweaked things. That's not what I saw.
 
Jammy 07 said:
To be fair to Marsche I'd imagine he's one of those type of coaches that if his team get on a a roll, winning games and full of confidence then his man management style comes to the fore. Unfortunately that didn't happen with us and he's not really the training ground guru who can tweak and fix things when results are making you nosedive. Not many are to be fair and that's probably why there's such a high turnover of coaches in professional football.
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Bielsa couldn’t either in the end and he was best in the world according to some. Is that maybe why he didn’t win shedloads of trophies in his career
 
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… there are fundamentally two types of coach in my opinion - across any sport. Believers and pragmatists. .

Believers stick to a philosophy they 100% commit to. Golfers out there will be familiar with pros who are ‘stack and tilt’ or one plane advocates. Pragmatists work with what they have and fit to resources.

We’ve had 2 believers in mb and jm, Javi seems more a pragmatist.

It’s natural to assume that a pragmatic approach is better, but there’s also an argument that full commitment to a particular way of playing can provide an edge. Of course when it doesn’t work people then question why they weren’t more pragmatic.

Will be interesting to see if javi’s pragmatism improves the efficiency of a squad purpose built for high press quick direct football.
 
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No he wasn't. He gave Brentford a great chance after defending square on and getting nutmegged 1st half. That schoolboy defending nearly relegated us. No point playing ok for 89 minutes a game and then gifting the opposition clear cut chances in the other minute.

Firpo has probably had 3 acceptable games and 1 good game in 18 months. Even you say you want to play Dan James there which shows you think he's nowhere near the standard required.
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I'd have to watch the game again to confirm or otherwise and not sure I can cope with watching us being so shockingly bad against 9 men again.
 
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