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The bit I've bolded is surely part of what the railways are fighting against?

A modern service of the future, much like our automobiles will be automated, the ticket offices will no longer exist and probably replaced by vending kiosks in tourist areas. I think @BobbyD mentioned something about live lines, but other countries are already running semi automated systems. I think even Gatwick already runs an automated system between terminals, it's merely about moving it to a larger scale surely - I think part of Japan has already done that.

If the systems are automated, the drivers can have an extended Christmas off every year, and the mierable platform guards that grunt at you will be replaced by consumer friendly robots. <whistle>

That's one interpretation of modern. Not for me btw. I was talking about better infrastructure, better reinvestment for it, and broader intergrated transport which the country has never addressed.
 
That's one interpretation of modern. Not for me btw. I was talking about better infrastructure, better reinvestment for it, and broader intergrated transport which the country has never addressed.

Automation is already here bro, won't be long before teachers are robots, hopefully they will be programmed to teach proper stuff like mathes and english and not all the gender stuff. See @Spurlock for further details.
 
How rich is Mick Lynch?

How much does he earn annually?

I don't know, so enlighten me, to someone that is poor, I'll assume Mick is rich, so should we be taxing him more, we had this with Arthur Scargill and his net worth, pot, kettle.

I hasten to add, taxes is certainly the first thing I would be starting on if I was in power, and the minimum tax would be 25%, protect the poorer workers with personal allowance.

The cutbacks of manpower are going to happen, unless you stop automation, but a lot of other businesses and industry have turned to automation for well over a decade now. So for me it's a bit late to be shouting. Companies like Amazon, Ocado as well as the Car Industry have had robots for a long time now at their distribution and manufactoring plants.


I have no issue with paying more in tax. I doubt Mick Lynch would either tbh.

I never use Amazon, not because they embrace technology, but because they use that technology for the sole purpose of ripping off their employees. Ocado, on the other hand, were a decent enough employer during the 18 months I worked for them. I'd recommend anyone to buy shares in them not for short term profit but for a long term investment. They're miles ahead of the opposition, and all the profits go back into the business (which is why their share prices are low in relation to the value of the business).

As for how rich Mick Lynch is, all I know is he'll be £20 better off when he gets the bottle of scotch I'm sending him for Christmas <ok>
 
I have no issue with paying more in tax. I doubt Mick Lynch would either tbh.

I never use Amazon, not because they embrace technology, but because they use that technology for the sole purpose of ripping off their employees. Ocado, on the other hand, were a decent enough employer during the 18 months I worked for them. I'd recommend anyone to buy shares in them not for short term profit but for a long term investment. They're miles ahead of the opposition, and all the profits go back into the business (which is why their share prices are low in relation to the value of the business).

As for how rich Mick Lynch is, all I know is he'll be £20 better off when he gets the bottle of scotch I'm sending him for Christmas <ok>

I'm sure Mick Lynch will be having a very nice Christmas, losing a days pay is not a problem to him, and even better when poorer people send him scotch...your logic is fooked up mate. <laugh>
 
Hey @PINKIE do the poor people in Cornwall send you Scotch?

Think I might have to move down your way if they do, got my eye on a nice piece of land down there, some drifter with a £3k bike was after it, but I'll just shower the local MP's with a bit of Scotch, seems to be the thing these days.
 
That's one interpretation of modern. Not for me btw. I was talking about better infrastructure, better reinvestment for it, and broader intergrated transport which the country has never addressed.
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Why should it bother anyone that they do? Why in this country do we always want to pull people down?

Anyway hopefully in a couple of years they'll be state-owned again and we can get a decent, more reliable, and modern service. Not the type we used to 40 years ago, but the kind many countries are delivering successfully across the world now.
I guess I should've added that my sister is currently working for the post office and was working for Southern rail last year, and she thinks they're taking the piss.
 
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I guess I should've added that my sister is currently working for the post office and was working for Southern rail last year, and she thinks they're taking the piss.
Your sister sounds a bit thick
 
Taken two weeks for my mail to reach me, It would be acceptable if I lived in Australia. Seems to me the service has already gone down the pan, instead of pay rises maybe they should be serving redundancy notices. :bandit:
 
a) Did they get no over time for this?

I wouldn't expect anyone to do this for free.

b) However, my point still stands on the blanket sweeping statement of 'they worked through the pandemic' as justification.

Loads of people in various walks of life did.

The idea that everyone sat at home during it is bollocks.


Although plenty did indeed put their feet up of course.

Depends on your job and role so not a straightforward answer to that. I started to write a detailed answer and it was too long so instead I'll just say that with my wife and her colleagues (and many others I assume but do not know with certainty) they were told they would get a certain amount of money overall for pitching in, it was around a 5%-10% flat amount extra to their pay and for around 3-6 months (not sure it was a blur) they went from working 2 weekends in 9 to working 2 weekends in 3. The money probably covered the fuel, the hospital parking, the ready meals and the extra alcohol consumption on the days she got off. Realistically, even at her per hour pay she would have been entitled to more like 50% extra pay but that's just not how the system works, there was certainly times where she could have just said no (indeed the Working Time Directive doesn't allow employee to be forced to work anything like the hours they were doing) but the issue was that if they weren't doing it then no-one was.

I think, they may be wrong, that nurses are paid more directly for the hours they actually work so would have got overtime for it all. I know a bunch of nurses but none well enough to ask them about that!


b) Agree entirely, I got rather sidetracked and will leave it there. It seemed to vary massively how much people were actually doing and standard human nature (which you see a lot of on this thread) is just to assume everyone else in the world is underworked and overpaid until proven otherwise. I know in my job I was probably only doing around 10-15 hours a week during the first parts of Covid but still on full pay. Given that my kids were 3, 5 and 8 and my wife was AWOL from home I'd still have preferred to be in work though :)
 
How rich is Mick Lynch?

How much does he earn annually?

I don't know, so enlighten me, to someone that is poor, I'll assume Mick is rich, so should we be taxing him more, we had this with Arthur Scargill and his net worth, pot, kettle.

I hasten to add, taxes is certainly the first thing I would be starting on if I was in power, and the minimum tax would be 25%, protect the poorer workers with personal allowance.

The cutbacks of manpower are going to happen, unless you stop automation, but a lot of other businesses and industry have turned to automation for well over a decade now. So for me it's a bit late to be shouting. Companies like Amazon, Ocado as well as the Car Industry have had robots for a long time now at their distribution and manufactoring plants.

Agree with all the taxes comment, would add that it's essential that it's linked to enforcement. People, companies, etc that don't pay their full taxes as their meant to shouldn't be negotiated with they should be imprisoned or deported or banned from trading in this country.
 
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