Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Goldhawk-Road said:
Are you saying illegal migrants have not been accommodated in 4 star hotels? Please be clear.

See Kiwi's post above with the £2 billion figure. Why didn't you see this?

How have I mislead anyone, apart from possibly putting 5 star and not 4 star hotels, which is not material even to nit pickers like you. You've made an allegation, so please be clear with your answer.
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Re 4 star hotel, You made a claim, I was just trying to find the evidence behind it. You originally posted that ‘many’ asylum seekers are in 5 star accommodation, but were unable to provide any evidence for this. Feel free to apologise for misleading people about this.

I have had Kiwi on ignore for so long I’d forgotten all about him. Having looked at his as per usual overlong cut and paste I think it’s another Migration Watch piece, from February this year, where the headline claims £2bn, but the text says £1.7bn (all eye watering numbers, but rounding up by 15% is obviously propaganda), where my figures from the same source are more up to date and lower. Perhaps they have been rounded up for effect as well.

You are my weakness on here Goldie, I see the stuff you post and think ‘where is the evidence?’, ask, and get some shifting of the terms of discussion when you are caught out. Fine, it’s your modus operandi, but everyone knows it.
 
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sb_73 said:
Re 4 star hotel, You made a claim, I was just trying to find the evidence behind it. You originally posted that ‘many’ asylum seekers are in 5 star accommodation, but were unable to provide any evidence for this. Feel free to apologise for misleading people about this.

I have had Kiwi on ignore for so long I’d forgotten all about him. Having looked at his as per usual overlong cut and paste I think it’s another Migration Watch piece, from February this year, where the headline claims £2bn, but the text says £1.7bn (all eye watering numbers, but rounding up by 15% is obviously propaganda), where my figures from the same source are more up to date and lower. Perhaps they have been rounded up for effect as well.

You are my weakness on here Goldie, I see the stuff you post and think ‘where is the evidence?’, ask, and get some shifting of the terms of discussion when you are caught out. Fine, it’s your modus operandi, but everyone knows it.
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So I assume having avoided my question even after I asked you to be clear, you accept illegal immigrants were held in 4 star hotels at the taxpayers' expense.

And you have now seen the £2 billion figure even if you feel you can break it down a little.

The thrust of what I say is absolutely right, Stan. You nibble and nit-pick at the edges, but it changes nothing. Just for once, try and have a view of your own. I promise I won't get anal about it.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
So I assume having avoided my question even after I asked you to be clear, you accept illegal immigrants were held in 4 star hotels at the taxpayers' expense.

And you have now seen the £2 billion figure even if you feel you can break it down a little.

The thrust of what I say is absolutely right, Stan. You nibble and nit-pick at the edges, but it changes nothing. Just for once, try and have a view of your own. I promise I won't get anal about it.
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And this is the next step when you are on the back foot, some passive aggressive personal abuse. Fill your boots. Bet you can’t resist the last word….
 
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sb_73 said:
Re 4 star hotel, You made a claim, I was just trying to find the evidence behind it. You originally posted that ‘many’ asylum seekers are in 5 star accommodation, but were unable to provide any evidence for this. Feel free to apologise for misleading people about this.

I have had Kiwi on ignore for so long I’d forgotten all about him. Having looked at his as per usual overlong cut and paste I think it’s another Migration Watch piece, from February this year, where the headline claims £2bn, but the text says £1.7bn (all eye watering numbers, but rounding up by 15% is obviously propaganda), where my figures from the same source are more up to date and lower. Perhaps they have been rounded up for effect as well.

You are my weakness on here Goldie, I see the stuff you post and think ‘where is the evidence?’, ask, and get some shifting of the terms of discussion when you are caught out. Fine, it’s your modus operandi, but everyone knows it.
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overlong
pfft
 
Bwood_Ranger said:
Yeah I get that Sunak has to do something to appeal to the potential defectors to Reform/UKIP/BNP/whatever it’s called now. It’s just grim IMO to have someone with her views as Home Sec. People who pretend to care about illegal immigration are never content with whatever measures are in place, no matter how expensive or cruel.
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She won't last. Just a matter of time before she puts her foot in it and timing before she is quietly removed for someone who just gets on with the job.
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
She won't last. Just a matter of time before she puts her foot in it and timing before she is quietly removed for someone who just gets on with the job.
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I think Sunak has done a bit of a deal with the right wing loons of the Party. Let him and Hunt deal with domestic issues/the economy and they can crack on around the edges pandering to the far right.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
I can find evidence of four star hotels on a quick scan. We're spending £2 billion a year on hotel fees for illegal migrants according to Migration Watch.
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Nothing wrong with paying the hotels to provide accommodation. Whether its 4 or 5 star. However what I do object to is paying 4 or 5 star rates for accommodation that would otherwise generate zero income for the owners because they can't fill them with people who can afford to stay there. In a free market economy if the prices are too high, you reduce them don't you till you reach a point where people are willing to pay?
 
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YorkshireHoopster said:
Nothing wrong with paying the hotels to provide accommodation. Whether its 4 or 5 star. However what I do object to is paying 4 or 5 star rates for accommodation that would otherwise generate zero income for the owners because they can't fill them with people who can afford to stay there. In a free market economy if the prices are too high, you reduce them don't you till you reach a point where people are willing to pay?
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Not very headliney. We want big headlines about how immigrants are stealing your job and simultaneously living on benefits in £5m Kensington mansions.
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
Nothing wrong with paying the hotels to provide accommodation. Whether its 4 or 5 star. However what I do object to is paying 4 or 5 star rates for accommodation that would otherwise generate zero income for the owners because they can't fill them with people who can afford to stay there. In a free market economy if the prices are too high, you reduce them don't you till you reach a point where people are willing to pay?
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Is this place 4 or 5 star, I wonder?

Migrant centre in Kent ‘catastrophically overcrowded’, union says | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian

The independent chief inspector of borders and immigration said he was left speechless by its “wretched conditions”. and had discovered some of the guards on site had no qualifications to do their job.
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
Nothing wrong with paying the hotels to provide accommodation. Whether its 4 or 5 star. However what I do object to is paying 4 or 5 star rates for accommodation that would otherwise generate zero income for the owners because they can't fill them with people who can afford to stay there. In a free market economy if the prices are too high, you reduce them don't you till you reach a point where people are willing to pay?
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The government is so desperate for space, they'll take and pay handsomely for almost anything.

It's been reported that 1-2% of all Albanian males are presently living illegally in the UK

There are also increasing reports of break-ins by illegals, into houses on the south coast, stealing money, keys etc. One illegal demanded that the occupants of the house drive him to Manchester
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
The government is so desperate for space, they'll take and pay handsomely for almost anything.

It's been reported that 1-2% of all Albanian males are presently living illegally in the UK

There are also increasing reports of break-ins by illegals, into houses on the south coast, stealing money, keys etc. One illegal demanded that the occupants of the house drive him to Manchester
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A tiny number of isolated incidents made to seem like a big issue to rile up gammon and give Farage something to bleat about.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
No, an increasing occurrence, of course of no relevance to bedwetters who don't live by the coast and don't give a **** if there's a security problem and people may be at risk. Ideology's more important, eh?
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How many then? If it goes from one to two it’s increasing. You swallow this Farage/GB News **** every day when there are infinite bigger issues caused by your Party (who you’ll apparently sack off for a more right wing version).
 
Bwood_Ranger said:
How many then? If it goes from one to two it’s increasing. You swallow this Farage/GB News **** every day when there are infinite bigger issues caused by your Party (who you’ll apparently sack off for a more right wing version).
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Yes, it's a small number, and as far as I know only one man managed to actually gain entry. But it's reported that some of the Albanians are either gang members or will be recruited by the gangs for lucrative work on cannabis farms, so people living on the coast and aware that say 80 illegals have landed and evaded Border Force will naturally be concerned. There won't be many arriving in Watford though, so as long as your alright.
 
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