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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Willhoops

    Willhoops Well-Known Member

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    ****ing yesssss bye bye Mogg… all these people slating Sunak for being out of touch with the the public should be happy with Mogg getting binned off.
     
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  2. Star of David Bardsley

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    I reckon he’s still popular with our millions of flag-shagging, can’t name one benefit of Brexit apart from sticking it to the libs Tories and shy Tories.
     
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  3. rangercol

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    Apparently
    Absolutely.
     
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  4. Star of David Bardsley

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    Always liked Wrexham.

     
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  5. sb_73

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    I’m sad enough to have looked it up. Not a word of apology in there, just a restatement of her ideology. Oh well, any potential sympathy gone.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/liz-trusss-final-speech-as-prime-minister-25-october-2022

    Hopefully Sunak will just calm everything down for a bit. Whoever’s in charge, from whatever party, this is not going to be pretty. I think he’s doing the right thing by stressing the dire economic straits that we are in, so he has a couple of years to make us think ‘well, it’s pretty ****, but not as bad as we expected, Rishi must have done a decent job’. As there obviously isn’t going to be an election the opposition parties should stop bleating about it and start focusing on properly thought through alternatives to what we will be served by the government, which I suspect will feel all George Osborne.
     
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    Suella Braverman back as Home Sec. Great
     
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  7. bobmid

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    Same old faces back in their roles!
     
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  8. Star of David Bardsley

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    Victory for the far right. Grim.
     
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  9. Goldhawk-Road

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    She'll be serious about tackling illegal immigration.
     
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  10. Star of David Bardsley

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    Yeah I get that Sunak has to do something to appeal to the potential defectors to Reform/UKIP/BNP/whatever it’s called now. It’s just grim IMO to have someone with her views as Home Sec. People who pretend to care about illegal immigration are never content with whatever measures are in place, no matter how expensive or cruel.
     
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  12. rangercol

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    The "apparently" was supposed to have been deleted.
    The "absolutely" was me agreeing that the further Rees Mogg is from government, the better.

    Yes, I think Sunak is the best choice as there's not going to be an election.
     
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  13. Goldhawk-Road

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    It is not just the right wing that are concerned about illegal immigration, particularly with a large section now being Albanians planning to work in the lucrative UK drugs trade.

    At present, the position is the opposite of cruel. Many are living in hotels, some 5 star.
     
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    What kind of backbencher will Truss be? She's lost all credibility.
     
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  15. sb_73

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    Really? That’s a big claim that deserves some figures behind it. How many are demonstrably in 5 Star hotels at the moment? There were some in 4 star accommodation during lockdown, because the hotels volunteered to take them because they were empty otherwise.

    A link to the facts will do nicely, cheers"
     
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  16. Goldhawk-Road

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    I can find evidence of four star hotels on a quick scan. We're spending £2 billion a year on hotel fees for illegal migrants according to Migration Watch.
     
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    Use of UK hotels for asylum seekers trebles despite Home Office promise
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    There were more than 26,000 asylum seekers living in hotels by end of 2021 according to Refugee Council

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    Asylum seekers exit the Crowne Plaza hotel through an exterior perimeter wall that has been installed while they stay at the hotel on 24 February 2021. Photograph: Chris J Ratcliffe/Getty Images
    Diane TaylorThu 21 Jul 2022 05.00 BST


    The use of hotel accommodation for people seeking asylum almost trebled in 2021 despite pledges from the Home Office to end its use.

    By the end of last year 26,380 asylum seekers were living in temporary hotel accommodation according to a report from the Refugee Council entitled: Lives on Hold: The Experiences of People in Hotel Asylum Accommodation.

    Although the accommodation is supposed to be temporary, 378 people have been in hotel rooms for a year and 2,826 for more than six months. In the last three months of 2021 the Home Office was using 207 hotels to house asylum seekers. In the last quarter of 2019 just 24 hotels were being used.

    The number of families housed in single hotel rooms has increased by nearly a third (27%) in 2021 including over 2,500 children 10% of the hotel population, according to freedom of information data obtained by the Refugee Council from the Home Office.

    Workers for the charity identified widespread depression along with suicidal thoughts among both adults and children, and found that asylum seekers have inadequate access to clothing, footwear and other basic essentials such as painkillers, mobile phones and internet data.

    Many living in this accommodation have limited access to the legal and health services they need and are cut off from local communities and support networks.

    An increase in far-right harassment of asylum seekers at hotels is highlighted in the report along with some people being trafficked from hotels.

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    The Refugee Council has accused the Home Office of having no clear plan for improving the issue.

    The report includes 13 key recommendations which include ensuring people are not trapped in hotels for long periods but moved into dispersal accommodation within 35 days, and ensuring that while people are in hotels they have early access to quality legal advice, as well as having basic essentials like clothing, nutritious food and medicine.

    Enver Solomon, CEO of the Refugee Council, said: “We are deeply disappointed that despite government promises to move people out of hotels, the numbers of men, women and children trapped in unsuitable hotel accommodation has trebled in a year alone.

    “The huge increase in the number of families and vulnerable children stuck between the four walls of a hotel room, from morning till night, is the brutal reality of a broken system. Far from the glitzy hotels people may imagine, these are not places anyone would want to stay in for long periods; they are cramped and unsafe.”

    A Home Office spokesperson said: “The asylum accommodation system is under enormous pressure due to increase in dangerous small boat crossings, which is why our New Plan for Immigration targets people smugglers and will speed up the removal of those with no right to be here.

    “The new fairer asylum dispersal model will also reduce the use of hotels which is costing taxpayers nearly £5 million a day. Asylum seekers have access to free health and social care services from point of arrival in the UK – just like British citizens and other permanent residents, to suggest otherwise is wrong.”
     
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  18. Star of David Bardsley

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    Asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants.
     
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    They are if they come in illegally
     
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  20. sb_73

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    You were very confident about ‘many’ being in 5 star hotels, but apparently can’t back that claim up, how many currently in 4 star accommodation?

    You can see that making claims like this can stir up controversy, so it’s important that they are factually accurate.
     
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