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Cirkin buy back clause?

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  1. Blond Bombshell

    Blond Bombshell Well-Known Member

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    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure he'll have the common sense to realise taking a step forward and then 2 back would be a bad move in his career.
    Djed Spence was the best right back in the Championship last season and he decided to go to Spurs.
    Hes yet to play a single minute in the Premier league this season.
     
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    Realistically though, how far away is he from that Spurs team?

    I'm not saying they couldn't buy better, but as a lcb, he would probably be back up to Ben Davies (and his long-term successor). He'd add to the home grown numbers and with Spurs in Europe as well, he could easily find himself playing games for them.

    Failing that, they could easily move him on to a mid-table Premier League club where he'd be able to compete for games and quadruple his earnings at the same time.

    I'd be a bit worried about this, on the basis that he's already worth the buy-back fee and he's only 20 with an incredibly high ceiling. He's a bargain at £6m.
     
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    So why would they sell him and try and sign him back less than a year later? Their reason for letting him go will still stand at this moment in time, aswell as the same reason he decided a move would be best for his career.

    I'm sure Spence wouldn't have signed for them if he knew how things would pan out.
     
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    But he will have trebled his salary, and his agent will have pocketed a nice earner too.

    That's what turns the murky wheels of football, though I agree with you completely about him being best staying here.
     
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  6. Chunksafc

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    I know wages always tend to win out, but I have this nagging feeling the young lads see more than that.

    Clarke, Roberts and to an extent Cirkin have been at big clubs on decent money and seen the lack of game time, lack of opportunities and came here for that.

    Most footballers want to play every week (at least I hope they do) and maybe just maybe they see the bigger picture and can see that it might be worth more to them to stay here and play then eventually get a proper move than just jump at the first offer and end up not playing
     
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    He could have stayed at one of the best teams in the country in the Prem, but he decided coming to League 1 was best for him. Spurs had offered him a new deal.
    That tells me moneys not his motivation mate, and going back there would be like doing a full circle.
     
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    Good business decision on their part if it happened, Just might make Sunderland think twice about these sort of clauses in a transfers in the future, but it seems to be our "model" so I guess not
     
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    They probably wouldn't have let us have him without the clause.
     
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    It's not less than a year later, it's more than a year later but that's incidental.

    The old cliché goes that "a week is a long time in football". Well 14th months is an eternity. In that time Cirkin has got 50 games under his belt and developed better than anyone could have hoped - this scenario is the reason they have the buyback clause in place.

    I'm not saying he will leave, I'm not saying he's even interested, but top footballers back themselves and he will have complete belief that he can play at the very top. A big part of the reasons he left were personal and if that reason has calmed down somewhat, a return might not be something he's opposed to. It all depends how highly he backs himself and what his primary motivators are.
     
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    That clause was the reason we got someone of his potential though. If he leaves, we'll have made 800% profit and had the benefit of him playing for us for 18 months. It's a good business decision on our part.
     
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    My bad, 14 months later then, (time flys).
    He's a young lad playing in the Championship, I'm sure he has the common sense to realise like Djed Spence, sitting on the bench at a top 6 Premiership club is not the way forward. That was the reason he left them in the first place. I'm sure after 14 months he feels no different
     
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    I understand exactly what you're saying mate and hopefully you're right. But I doubt he looks at other players and thinks he'll be on the bench. He's more likely to look at Ryan Sessegnon getting opportunities and think "I'm better than him, I could be playing at that level." Footballers back themselves.

    It's impossible to know someone's motivation, but it appeared to me from what I've read that Cirkin's dad dying in January of last year was a key reason for him wanting to get away from the area. But people process grief in time and there could be personal reasons for wanting to go back. It's not an obvious decision and that's before you factor in the life changing amounts of money.
     
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    I'm sure he realises Sessegnon has waited about 3 years to get an opportunity.
    Who knows mate, it's all hearsay, I just think 14 months ago he was an unknown and now he's playing infront of 40k fans and developing as a player. I'm confident/hoping he has the common sense to realise doing a full circle would not be a good move just yet.
     
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    OR making a £5m profit in a year is good business by us
     
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    That said he's going to struggle to get back in our team anytime soon because unless Alese gets injured the way he's playing is making him undroppable at the moment and as much as I love Cirkin I know which one I'd rather see start on a matchday
     
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    Regardless of whatever clause was negotiated wouldn't Cirkin have to agree to move ?
    Surely if we want to keep him it's up to us to show the player the opportunities here and if he's good enough he could take a move later that could put him straight into the first team of whatever club he joins.
    However as others have said it'll probably all come down to money
     
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    I dont think it will come down to money mate as I've previously said.
    He dropped from the Prem to League 1 only 14months ago to build a career for himself, and he made a point in mentioning that when he signed.
     
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    Will he have a choice, if it was in the contract of sale, does he not have to agree to go back if Spurs meet the price ?
     
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  20. Oliver's Army

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    The story is saying that Spurs would re-sell him to another club so would he want to go to tha particular club whoever it is?

    Also, good old Nixon stirring the pot.
     
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