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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

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    Both basket cases, though.
     
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    Looks heavy handed, particularly if it's a minor offence, but I'm always suspicious of these edited videos. How do we know he stole £1 worth of good and hadn't tried to stab someone or groom a young girl? Reserve judgement.
     
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    Interesting comment by Ed (should I believe him?) Milliband on Ferrari's show. If we have fracking in the UK, with the risk of minor earthquakes damaging property, the companies fracking would still sell it on the international market at the same rate as gas is now. So, says Ed, where's the advantage?

    On the other hand, the US seems think fracking in its country gives it an advantage....?
     
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  5. Stroller

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    Let's ask our new Chancellor.....

    Kwasi Kwarteng: Fracking not the answer to soaring energy bills (cityam.com)

    Extra supply generated from untapped shale reserves in the UK “won’t materially affect the wholesale market price,” Kwarteng said.

    “This includes fracking – UK producers won’t sell shale gas to UK consumers below the market price. They’re not charities.”

     
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    Yes, Miliband mentioned Kwartang's position.

    I'm still confused. If North Sea gas was such a bonanza for the UK, how come fracking (assuming large reserves of underground gas) is not?
     
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    Classic view of the BBC in recent times
     
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    Former BBC journalist says something - perfectly legitimate in my view - that he absolutely could not have said whilst working for the BBC.
     
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    I didn't say he was still working for the BBC, but that this was BBC mindset in recent times.

    And you think it's perfectly legitimate for this ex-BBC staff member to call people of colour "Coconuts"?
     
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    I think it's a legitimate comment. The fact that it was made by someone who used to work for the BBC is irrelevant.
     
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    And the use of the term Coconut is perfectly ok for you, is it?

    It's highly relevant that he was BBC. It's that same mindset, although admittedly the BBC would not be so crass as to use that term which is clearly racist, and I don't make that claim lightly
     
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    Not quite sure it works like that goldie.

    The u.s. is an exporter of gas (as well as using their own).

    Europe and uk are net importers, especially from europe.

    Exporting gas is not easily done and requires either pipelines or special ships (lng tankers).

    Russia switching off their gas doesnt affect u.s. natural gas prices, they may potentially export a bit more but its not like suddenly thousands of specialised lng vessels are available (they were at pretty much max export capacity before).

    If the shale gas is a tiny fraction of the gas provided then it wont make much of a dent on european and asian prices (asia has no natural gas either)
     
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    If one was overly sensitive, one might be forgiven for taking the supposition that a black person is white on the inside as suggesting that being the latter is a negative thing. I'm getting more and more irritated by both positive and negative comments about gender, sexuality and race etc. - why can't we just consider the person and what they say and (most importantly) actually do?
     
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    The price of gas going up must surely affect prices of US natural gas that they are exporting. Gas has an international price.

    Are you saying companies in the US producing shale gas haven't the facilities to export it, and thus they sell it low to the local US market?
     
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    The term is perfectly ok for me, but perhaps shouldn't be used by white people. The point, which certainly is legitimate in my view, is that these brown and black faces on the Tory front bench (lauded as being diverse, when actually having been selected for all having exactly the same views) do not represent the outlooks and lived experiences of the vast majority of brown and black people in the country as a whole. It takes more than having similar amounts of melanin.
     
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    Agree. But Coconut is a racist term, end of. Although apparently it's ok if left-wing journalists call black people Coconut, because they're the wrong sort of black people
     
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    It's highly aspirational. No white men in the four great offices of state. What a great statement.

    Compare with Labour. If you want to be leader, you have to be a white man from North London. The front bench is virtually all white. If you're a person of colour, you're shoved at the back, and until recently, if you were Jewish, you'd need bodyguards around you at the party conference.
     
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    **** me not only do I pretty much agree with Strolls, no big shock there really.. but I kinda agree at least a bit with Goldie, in that the term can be perceived somewhat iffy, Strolls explained the issue with these ‘diverse’ torys very well for me.
     
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