Transfer Rumours transfer thread fact and fiction

[The RDBD]

So there is no shame in dogma or hubris? Or are you saying he has a plan B? In which case it's too subtle for me.

Citeh have come out with their usual attacking game.
It may not be working roday .

So what to do ?? Continue as is ??
Or change formation/play to something else ??

Not trying something else is a sign of dogma.
Refusing to even consider something else is hubris.

 

[Spurf]

Citeh have come out with their usual attacking game.
It may not be working roday .

So what to do ?? Continue as is ??
Or change formation/play to something else ??

Not trying something else is a sign of dogma.
Refusing to even consider something else is hubris.

Yes I understand that, It's your comment linking no shame to it that I don't understand.

 

[PowerSpurs]

Citeh have come out with their usual attacking game.
It may not be working roday .

So what to do ?? Continue as is ??
Or change formation/play to something else ??

Not trying something else is a sign of dogma.
Refusing to even consider something else is hubris.

If you are 2-0 down switching to a less attacking plan would be bonkers!

 

[The RDBD]

Yes I understand that, It's your comment linking no shame to it that I don't understand.

"There is no harm or shame in ..." is a phrase denoting
that someone does not merit censure or ridicule for
their actions.

And as Citeh are now 3-2 ahead, today appears to be
one of those "over 90%" games of which I wrote
(unless Pep significantly changed formation/play at
0-2 - I am not watching the game) .

 

[The RDBD]

If you are 2-0 down switching to a less attacking plan would be bonkers!

Switching to an attack that maintains the pressure
while reducing the counter, would be sensible.

That is why Pep is so often done by Spurs.

 

[Spurf]

"There is no harm or shame in ..." is a phrase denoting
that someone does not merit censure or ridicule for
their actions.

And as Citeh are now 3-2 ahead, today appears to be
one of those "over 90%" games of which I wrote
(unless Pep significantly changed formation/play at
0-2 - I am not watching the game) .

I am not asking you to explain the English language to me, just your use of it.

Clearly there is no shame in playing attacking football but with the resources available to them you might expect a better defence than they appear to have developed. How long is it since Kompany left?

 

[Dier Hard]

Said before City’s defenders aren’t good defenders, they’re just excellent technical players. Go at them and there’s goals in it for you. Problem for most teams is just being able to go at them. I think it’s why we’ve been bogey team for them for a couple years, our forwards are elite and any half chances they get generally get put away, as City have found out a fair few times.

 

[The RDBD]

Said before City’s defenders aren’t good defenders, they’re just excellent technical players. Go at them and there’s goals in it for you. Problem for most teams is just being able to go at them. I think it’s why we’ve been bogey team for them for a couple years, our forwards are elite and any half chances they get generally get put away, as City have found out a fair few times.

And for Spurs and while Pep is at Citeh, long may it continue.

 

[PowerSpurs]

Switching to an attack that maintains the pressure
while reducing the counter, would be sensible.

That is why Pep is so often done by Spurs.

Not sure your first point is right. City's plan A gets them to win by about 2.5 goals to 0.75 on average. If you go 2-0 down in the first few minutes then the average performance isn't good enough to draw so you need to take more risk, not less. Unless of course you think you have enough data about the causes of the two goals you have conceded to warrant a change to stop further similar goals, which I think is going to be rare.

 

[The RDBD]

Not sure your first point is right

When Jose did Citeh in his first game against them,
Chelsky immediately learnt the lesson in their game.

They were able to push Spurs into the final third
for much of the game,but left a couple of players
back near halfway in anticipation of Kane and Son
doing to them what they did to Citeh.

So it can be done (pressure maintained in attack,
risk reduced of the counter) ,.


"Unless of course you think you have enough data about the causes of the two goals
you have conceded to warrant a change to stop further similar goals, which I think is going to be rare"

I have not seen the match summary, but if like the Spurs
2-3 win last season, I will be able to easily see what
the causes (and possible corrective changes) may have been.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I am not asking you to explain the English language to me, just your use of it.

Clearly there is no shame in playing attacking football but with the resources available to them you might expect a better defence than they appear to have developed. How long is it since Kompany left?

Kompany left at the end of the 2018/19 season.
Had a great result today at Wigan. Really seems to be changing Burnley into something different.

 

[PowerSpurs]

I am not asking you to explain the English language to me, just your use of it.

Clearly there is no shame in playing attacking football but with the resources available to them you might expect a better defence than they appear to have developed. How long is it since Kompany left?

They score about 3.5 times more goals than they concede. That doesn't suggest that anything is wrong.

 

[The RDBD]

Kompany left at the end of the 2018/19 season.

Which given they have won the PL 2 out 3 since then,
suggests that their squad collective attack level is
so potent it can compensate for the loss of a defender
of the quality of Kompany.

The Citeh previous on their quest for the CL (and why
they are not close to the prowess of the Poool) , is
a problem Pep has not been able to solve (for
whatever reasons) .

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Which given they have won the PL 2 out 3 since then,
suggests that their squad collective attack level is
so potent it can compensate for the loss of a defender
of the quality of Kompany.

The Citeh previous on their quest for the CL (and why
they are not close to the prowess of the Poool) , is
a problem Pep has not been able to solve (for
whatever reasons) .

Their defenders are still decent at defending, in my opinion.
Better on the ball and they reduce most of the pressure through possession, though.
Having the likes of Rodri and Fernandinho shielding them and being immune to cards also helps.

 

[PowerSpurs]

When Jose did Citeh in his first game against them,
Chelsky immediately learnt the lesson in their game.

They were able to push Spurs into the final third
for much of the game,but left a couple of players
back near halfway in anticipation of Kane and Son
doing to them what they did to Citeh.

So it can be done (pressure maintained in attack,
risk reduced of the counter) ,.


"Unless of course you think you have enough data about the causes of the two goals
you have conceded to warrant a change to stop further similar goals, which I think is going to be rare"

I have not seen the match summary, but if like the Spurs
2-3 win last season, I will be able to easily see what
the causes (and possible corrective changes) may have been.

As I've posted before you get a very good representation of PL results just by assuming goals are randomly scored with probability that depends on the average attacking and defensive stats of the two teams playing. I don't think there is enough extra data from looking at individual goals to warrant mid match changes.
However going 2-0 down warrants a change to a system with a higher probability of scoring as you now need three goals to get the maximum points and no club averages three goals over less than 90 minutes.

 

[Spurf]

They score about 3.5 times more goals than they concede. That doesn't suggest that anything is wrong.

Their performance in Europe suggests different.

 

[The RDBD]

Their defenders are still decent at defending, in my opinion.
Better on the ball and they reduce most of the pressure through possession, though.
Having the likes of Rodri and Fernandinho shielding them and being immune to cards also helps.

The difference between the PL, and the UEFA KOs,
is that you can "amortise" losses over a season for the former.

Each KO round, and you only have the 2nd leg to
correct for any errors in the 1st leg.

Take Spurs last season for example.
Citeh lost twice to us, but they still won the title
with a pts total of 93.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

The difference between the PL, and the UEFA KOs,
is that you can "amortise" losses over a season for the former.

Each KO round, and you only have the 2nd leg to
correct for any errors in the 1st leg.

Take Spurs last season for example.
Citeh lost twice to us, but they still won the title
with a pts total of 93.

I'd suggest that they also get less favourable decisions in Europe.
In the Premier League they're now regarded as one of the big fish.
In the Champions League they're still tiddlers, especially when it comes to Real and the like.

 

[The RDBD]

I'd suggest that they also get less favourable decisions in Europe.
In the Premier League they're now regarded as one of the big fish.
In the Champions League they're still tiddlers, especially when it comes to Real and the like.

You are appealing to my known belief that UEFA is anti-PL
once the KO stages are reached, so it will (sorry) WON'T work.

The statto in me is tempted to see what the foul/card counts
are for PL clubs in the CL KO stages. It could be possible
that PL clubs getting more physical leeway on fouls/cards
at hiome are unable to modulate that to the levels accepted
by UEFA refs.

When you think of the English UEFA heydays of the late 70s
to 1985, there did seem to be a 'European way' that had
to be played, and was mastered by the league as a whole
(in order to have achieved that cumulative success) .

 

[Spurf]

When you think of the English UEFA heydays of the late 70s
to 1985, there did seem to be a 'European way' that had
to be played, and was mastered by the league as a whole
(in order to have achieved that cumulative success) .

I think that was the case and to some extent still is. The PL seems to move the goal posts every season with their constant tinkering with the rules and their interpretation. I think there is more joined up thinking across Europe now simply because there are more Euro games but the national variations do make a difference. Refereeing has IMO greatly improved in Europe and often reaches levels higher than the PL. PNP will not consider that difficult.