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Boffo said:
Ok, we'll go back to your initial point: you said that Allah predetermines how you die and how wealthy you get, and gave an example of the person getting £2, which was predetermined, though quite how he got it was up to him.

My point is that, considering the hardship and extreme poverty in the world, did Allah predetermine that this would happen or did he give free will to some in order to allow them to crush the free will of others? It's insulting to suggest the starving of Ethiopia are exercising their free will by staying and dying, and callous to suggest they are in their position because Allah predetermined it. It's also naive to suggest that freedom is something portioned out equally to all, because the freedom Paris Hilton has far outweighs the freedom a child dying of starvation has.
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Ok I see now. Again there are issues that require greater 'explaining' here which is virtually impossible
for example wealth. In islam what is inyour bank is not wealth in the sense that some see it. wealth is what you eat/wear/use. If its stuck in an account and you have not used it ie had no gain from it was it prescribed for you.

That aside, Free will is given to ALL. It how they excercise it or not that is the issue at hand
for example in ethiopia the people who put up with starvation and poverty are in essence in the same boat as those that do the crushing. Its only in our minds where we assume one as being better or worse.

In ethiopia as I mentioned there is food, and it is a disgrace that a mother can grow food for us in the UK but not to feed her own kid. This is freewill as she has put money above the feeding of her child as callous as that sounds

Paris Hilton is indeed seen as rich/wealthy but she wont be taking anything with her and as such would ultimately be the biggest loser. And her freedom is arguably more restricted than a child in africa
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
And you've still failed to provide any sensible reason why he'd answer me, rather than dodging the question or refusing to answer, as he's been demonstrated to do.
I suppose that you think that I should take it on faith, but that would be ludicrous, wouldn't it?
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there were guarantees given, which you chose to ignore and still ignore

If there is no way HE would answer why do you keep asking me?

one way to find out

unless youre scared?

oh yeah......you know the rest
 
Pud said:
pm him choudray's e-mail address or phone number ...
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I offered to go with him, to ensure a response

I even provided him with a youtube clip with anjem being interviewed by lauren booth (tony blairs sister in law) where he addresses this point and why he chose to not answer the question, and clearly explains about benefits

all thats by the by, the fella **** his pants and started saying 'why should I' 'whats the point' etc

basically he is a pussy
 
thefanwithnoname said:
there were guarantees given, which you chose to ignore and still ignore

If there is no way HE would answer why do you keep asking me?

one way to find out

unless youre scared?

oh yeah......you know the rest
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You made guarantees.
I don't know who the **** you are or even if you know him.
His behaviour in the past suggests that answers wouldn't be forthcoming and you've given absolutely no logical reason why that would change.

Why have I asked you?
You claim to know him.
If you do, then why wouldn't he answer you, given that you think he'd answer a complete stranger?

You still can't tell me what I'm supposed to be scared of, either.
Is he going to bullshit me to death?
Perhaps you're warming me up for that with your contributions on here.
 
Boffo said:
Ok, we'll go back to your initial point: you said that Allah predetermines how you die and how wealthy you get, and gave an example of the person getting £2, which was predetermined, though quite how he got it was up to him.

My point is that, considering the hardship and extreme poverty in the world, did Allah predetermine that this would happen or did he give free will to some in order to allow them to crush the free will of others? It's insulting to suggest the starving of Ethiopia are exercising their free will by staying and dying, and callous to suggest they are in their position because Allah predetermined it. It's also naive to suggest that freedom is something portioned out equally to all, because the freedom Paris Hilton has far outweighs the freedom a child dying of starvation has.
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Boffo pal you are flogging a dead horse here pal<whistle>
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I even provided him with a youtube clip with anjem being interviewed by lauren booth (tony blairs sister in law) where he addresses this point and why he chose to not answer the question, and clearly explains about benefits
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No he doesn't.
He avoids the question again and trots out the same old bullshit that he always has.
 
Somebody altert Mick or syd n shut this ****e down...


It's going round in circles with pseudo intellectual bullshit.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
You made guarantees.
I don't know who the **** you are or even if you know him.
His behaviour in the past suggests that answers wouldn't be forthcoming and you've given absolutely no logical reason why that would change.

Why have I asked you?
You claim to know him.
If you do, then why wouldn't he answer you, given that you think he'd answer a complete stranger?

You still can't tell me what I'm supposed to be scared of, either.
Is he going to bullshit me to death?
Perhaps you're warming me up for that with your contributions on here.
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one way to find out

unless you are a pussy
 
Are you just going to keep repeating the same **** which doesn't answer anything, TFWNN?
It's very, very tedious, but then I guess that's what you do best, isn't it?
 
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