Off Topic Champions League Final, Liverpool v Royal Madrid

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Right, so if they weren't scanning properly for legit tickets, there should have been fewer Liverpool fans in the ground than there should have been, not more.

No i don't think everyone would travel with tickets if it was us but what's wrong with that, trying to get in with fake tickets is the issue here.

We have taken many massive followings away and there hasn't been this iissue so not sure what your point is on that one.

Liverpool fans have history of it, we don't.

What's my issue here? My issue is KIDS getting TEAR GASSED by FRENCH ****S.

Have you ever been on one of our European Adventures?????? Our lot do the exact same thing. Real tickets, Fake Tickets, No Tickets.

People didn't go photocopying fake tickets, they were sold them.
 
No, it isn't a thing for every other club, but it's well documented with your club.

Just look at last night, loads of Liverpool fans stood on the gangways, there has to have been ticketless fans in the ground, but apparently it's all the police's fault and just poor organization, there's the victim mentality.

The divine right attitude, just read RAWK.

It wasn’t ticketless fans though? By most reports it was fans with fake tickets (who knows if that was deliberate or if was people trying to buy tickets and were sold fakes without knowing) trying to get into the ground and the tickets not scanning which caused queues. However what ever the reason, not sure warrants tear gas on young and old. Anyway, either way, not sure why that would cause you to hate a club?
 
It wasn’t ticketless fans though? By most reports it was fans with fake tickets (who knows if that was deliberate or if was people trying to buy tickets and were sold fakes without knowing) trying to get into the ground and the tickets not scanning which caused queues. However what ever the reason, not sure warrants tear gas on young and old. Anyway, either way, not sure why that would cause you to hate a club?

Got to be ADHD.
 
There's videos of them jumping over the fences and charging turnstiles to get in, we just going to blame that on tear gas aswell?
 
It’s not personal, Biz

Me, for example, I’ve never been nice enough to “want the English team to win” - ****ing nuts in my view!

Multiple factors lead to a club being liked by other fanbases - or loathed. Keegan’s era was accompanied by an “everyone’s second team” tag because there was a sense of childish fun and humility about the club and players and fans, a sleeping giant finally getting some sunshine, there was no arrogance , there was wonderful entertainment and there was honesty in the management speak. That probably went belly up with the “I’d love it” speech…. because with that speech, Kevin was saying that other clubs owed the footballing world a taking-down of Man U - which signaled a sense of entitlement by us.

There’ll be a few of us have been exposed to fans of Liverpool that just oozed that sense of being the football equivalent of the Queen and should be loved by the whole nation…. there’s a high propensity in online forums/media comment sections where “YNWA” is a standard sign off and it is - for me - a ****ing dreary song with no uplifting element in it whatsoever; it just gets on my tits when I hear it, so the tune comes to mind when I see ‘YNWA’ typed out. And I colour in the personality of the writer accordingly. The media have been banging on about quadruples for the last months and that came across as them signalling an inevitable ‘right’ that just needed fulfilling. These are all little things that are **** all to do with the majority of genuine Liverpool supporters…. but we fans of other clubs are tribal and are looking for differences between us and them - a bit of Social Identity Theory there!

Klopp’s a snidey **** though, regularly slipping in some disrespect to the opposition management if not getting a win - I don’t like that lack of class.

End of the day though, it’s just a game and what you see as “hate” is just words on pages, it doesn’t translate into physical attacks of Liverpool fans by other fanbases - the ‘hatred’ isn’t real hatred.

There’s also a natural relief that Liverpool didn’t win the quadruple - that would have just earned them more money and enabled bigger and better transfers than your success already allows, which would just make you harder to get any points from - this is true for all successful clubs and will have an impact on their relationships with other fanbases…. you can take it as a compliment, Man Utd fans seemed to when they had their golden era under Ferguson. Liverpool are having that success, but the perceived sense of entitlement (the occasional fan, Klopp’s personality, the media element, players saying they “see things others don’t” (TAA) etc build all that noise) is something that has just taken root now - you’ll only be nationally loved when there’s a change of wind and “some humility and grace” can be smelt, or when you are unsuccessful and it can just be laughed at a bit.

I think you are sound, and probably quite representative of a lot of LFC fans - but you’re best off learning to live with the hate and brush it off for a while. Nobody is hurt by it, and our lack of love for LFC won’t affect your accumulation of trophies one iota.

And we’re going to be you soon anyway.

Fair play. To be honest, I think most Liverpool fans hates the talk of the quad more than opposition. If was up to us, would have banned the word <laugh>
 
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It wasn’t ticketless fans though? By most reports it was fans with fake tickets (who knows if that was deliberate or if was people trying to buy tickets and were sold fakes without knowing) trying to get into the ground and the tickets not scanning which caused queues. However what ever the reason, not sure warrants tear gas on young and old. Anyway, either way, not sure why that would cause you to hate a club?

I hated Liverpool well before yesterday mate, don't worry <laugh>
 
Here mate stop being a knob, it's just a conversation.

I'm not being a knob. I strongly, to the point of I would do prison time over it. Disagree with the use of violence against kids. I don't care if they had real tickets, fake tickets, no tickets or drones to watch the match........and you keep giving it this line of.......they had no tickets. Like they're the only club to do it. It shows that you've either never been to one of our European games away or you were too young to realise it. It goes on everywhere.

There was the same issue at the FA Cup Final, The Euros at Wembley, Christ there was reports of it at the Legue 1 play off final.

It happens everywhere when there is a big game on that fans can't get tickets for.
 
I'm not being a knob. I strongly, to the point of I would do prison time over it. Disagree with the use of violence against kids. I don't care if they had real tickets, fake tickets, no tickets or drones to watch the match........and you keep giving it this line of.......they had no tickets. Like they're the only club to do it. It shows that you've either never been to one of our European games away or you were too young to realise it. It goes on everywhere.

There was the same issue at the FA Cup Final, The Euros at Wembley, Christ there was reports of it at the Legue 1 play off final.

It happens everywhere when there is a big game on that fans can't get tickets for.

A slight disagreement and you bring mental illness into the equation, just **** crack that.

Anyhoo...
 
Also you are going on like i've said i support kids getting tear gassed.

No, I know you're not saying that. It does appear that you were excusing the use of excessive violence used by the authorities on this theory of no tickets. And yeah if there had been signs of fighting, violence etc I could understand the need for heavy handedness. But in this day and age where football is a family event you can't just go mob handed like they did last night. It was a complete and utter cluster **** from the organisers, the police, and the stadium staff.

What I was trying to say was, someone not having a ticket or a fake one or one that simply isn't scanning that blocks a queue up is not an excuse to start mass tear gassing when there was no signs of any violence from the fans. Yes some were getting frustrated and wanting to re-scan their tickets again but from the videos I seen they were just getting pepper sprayed and gassed.
 
I always thought someone might say that!!! <laugh>

It’s rooted in ‘Caratacus’ - long and VERY dull story so I’ll save it

Was he Sparta's brother?

Just googled it and after the **** I went through yesterday at Hadrian's wall - I don't care <laugh><laugh><laugh>
 
They both went on to make the Brazil squad, never played in a major tournament unfortunately and therefore lost to footballing history

Ah well there we go. I just read he was the first British Cheiftan to fight the Romans in Britain in the first century ad <laugh><laugh><laugh>

And after walking 2 and a half bastarding miles to see some **** tree used in Robin Hood prince of thieves I really wasn't in the mood for another Romans in Britain story tonight <laugh><laugh><laugh>
 
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Unlike the Madrid owners? :huh:
Also hating a team based on their owners is a bit hypocritical now isn’t it?

Biscan has a fair point here.

I don't get all the hatred towards Liverpool myself, especially in a game against Real Madrid if it's all about the owners. Their fans protested about the super league. We get annoyed when other clubs hold the actions of our owners against us but we turn around and do the same to other clubs. Does seem a bit hypocritical to me.

We've always had a good relationship with the Pool fans off here, and when it comes to fans traveling without tickets I'm not sure our own fans would be any different. Also not sure how our fans would be any different if offered the chance to buy tickets. Would they really double check they weren't fakes or would they snap them up in the belief they had just got lucky?

I always support the English team in a final. They got beat fair and square, but I was hoping they would win.