Thoughts about Alex Neil so far

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clockstander said:
I have never labelled anyone else's comments or opinions as bile, so maybe I find myself agreeing with your last sentence <laugh> . If we were ever to be introduced, I am sure we would see eye to eye on most matters, other than the tedious Mr Johnson, who I would agree needs consigning to history.
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Fair point mate. Guilty as charged. I am too sensitive to the whole subject, a problem I put down to being a coach for years and getting limited credit but plenty of grief. I find myself in every coaches corner and I probably need to just back off. :emoticon-0150-hands
 
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FellTop said:
Fair point mate. Guilty as charged. I am too sensitive to the whole subject, a problem I put down to being a coach for years and getting limited credit but plenty of grief. I find myself in every coaches corner and I probably need to just back off. :emoticon-0150-hands
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Love your posts mate, always have, and who knows maybe one day we will see young Doyle stepping out in mid-field if not for us then maybe Man City, we may also even be in that bar having a pint to celebrate, its what dreams are made of <ale>. <ok>
 
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Southern A said:
The challenge he will have, whether any of us want to be rational or not right now, is that if we don’t go up this season there will be a sizeable amount of the fan base who want him sacked. Even those of us who right now think he should have another stab next year, may well turn due to the disappointment of missing out.

Personally I think we have a good chance due to being difficult to beat. But assuming we make the playoffs, it’s still a 1 in 4 chance against some teams in top form. And frankly I don’t think he deserves to be judged on one off games against top sides like that.

I’ve seen and heard enough of him to want him to have a shot next season no matter the division. But I said the same about Lee Johnson this time last year so…
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That is the trouble here. No manager gets any time, and it will look from the outside like a job to get yourself back into the game if you are out of it, or a move up without risk.

Any one not doing constantly well and getting sacked, can say, or imply " but you can't judge me on what happened there" .

The fact that Neil only has a rolling one year deal tells us all we need to know. Maybe he'll scarper if he gets us up, as he will certainly be getting offers if he did.
 
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clockstander said:
Love your posts mate, always have, and who knows maybe one day we will see young Doyle stepping out in mid-field if not for us then maybe Man City, we may also even be in that bar having a pint to celebrate, its what dreams are made of <ale>. <ok>
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That would be a heady day indeed. I have a silly hope that one day Doyle and Dan Neil play for the same mens England team and I can sit and say we said they were extra special. Who knows, like you say dreams are what football should be about.
 
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FellTop said:
I have decided to make this my last post on Johnson. I dont think it is possible to have a rationale and considered debate about him. The language used and tone of your posts about him make me think this. I respect yours and others opinions on here hugely, but it appears on this we seem a million miles apart. Perhaps if we ever drink a pint together we might find we are closer than I think, becase I do wonder if I read some of what people say too literally.
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Always like your posts mate. They are well constructed and thought out. I don't always 100% agree with you but when does anybody.
Personally I think that Johnson had us playing some of the best football since the days of Reid. Gradually it went tits up - playing the young ones too much, other teams working us out, no plan b and poor subs. Plus his jargon never went down well with the vast majority of fans.
Should he have been given till the end of the season - we'll never know.
I prefer Neil's straight forward talking and admissions when he gets it wrong. We've had a lot of great Scottish players - I sincerely hope he's going to be a great manager for us.
 
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Brainman said:
I like the way he’s focused on one thing, winning the next game. The defence is spot on now, one goal conceded in six, and that was a silly individual mistake. His substitutes are positive. We just need to start taking the chances and that will happen. Nine straight wins would be nice.
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rowley said:
That is the trouble here. No manager gets any time, and it will look from the outside like a job to get yourself back into the game if you are out of it, or a move up without risk.

Any one not doing constantly well and getting sacked, can say, or imply " but you can't judge me on what happened there" .

The fact that Neil only has a rolling one year deal tells us all we need to know. Maybe he'll scarper if he gets us up, as he will certainly be getting offers if he did.
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It's been our problem since Bruce was sacked. Since he went, only Moyes and Ross have started and finished the same season, and Moyes went straight after the end of his 1 season ended and Ross sacked early on in the next. I can only really think of Allardyce that didn't have some sections of our fans turn on him after a while (some had started to turn on Advocaat and Di Canio just before they went). Some deserved it, others not so much and the **** show going on behind the scenes at the club hamstrung some managers in the past. I've heard stories that Ross wasn't fully supported by the Meth-heads and was used as a scapegoat when he was sacked to deflect criticism of the FPP takeover collapse. Coleman was promised stuff from Bain to take over, but was given nothing and had to scratch around to bring in players, as he had no transfer money other than what he could raise himself. And that was after what little money we did have had been wasted by Grayson.
 
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What’s his contract status with us? Rumours Burnley are sniffing round him if they go down
 
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APC said:
Aye same here but it’s easy for us to say,l mate, I think Burnley will probably have other managers lined up infront of Neil anyway like, I hope so anyway
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I think their new owners will probably go for a foreign manager. If they go down, it could be similar story to us I think. Wouldn't put them anywhere near favourites to go back up.
 
master-simpson said:
Burnley is a feckin Mickey Mouse Club compared to us!!

If AN wants to leave us for them, then CHEERIO loser!! He’d be feckin insane.

SAFC is the biggest club AN will probably ever manage, and I think he knows that.

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He's a professional, on a one year rolling contract which is hardly a sign of faith by the club.

We give managers about a year here, or less, over the course of the last three owners, and we will be known for that.

I'd avoid Burnley, as money trouble is coming their way, but if they were to offer say, a three year deal on better cash, he'd be off. He'd have to. He's only 40 and has a lot of living to support.
 
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My two penneth, LJ had potential but appeared to belive his own hype, the tinkering, the random formations, the coach speak all didn't help him. Last season he stumbled on a centre back pairing by accident iirc. This season he wanted a small squad which resulted in us flogging players when they clearly needed a rest.

Neil has come in and done wonders with a lop sided squad, one missing back up in key areas and has us firing. But I watched his press conference Friday and to me he came across a bit too "straight talking" I felt there was almost a disdain at the questions asked and it concerned me.

I do think he could do an amazing job here, but Im not convinced he will stick around if its not all his own way.
 
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Chunksafc said:
My two penneth, LJ had potential but appeared to belive his own hype, the tinkering, the random formations, the coach speak all didn't help him. Last season he stumbled on a centre back pairing by accident iirc. This season he wanted a small squad which resulted in us flogging players when they clearly needed a rest.

Neil has come in and done wonders with a lop sided squad, one missing back up in key areas and has us firing. But I watched his press conference Friday and to me he came across a bit too "straight talking" I felt there was almost a disdain at the questions asked and it concerned me.

I do think he could do an amazing job here, but Im not convinced he will stick around if its not all his own way.
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I wouldn't be too bothered about his pressers. They are all a bit repetitive anyway. But he seems quite tactically savvy, a nice change.

I worry far less about him than I do about the bloke above him.
 
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rowley said:
I wouldn't be too bothered about his pressers. They are all a bit repetitive anyway. But he seems quite tactically savvy, a nice change.

I worry far less about him than I do about the bloke above him.
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The bloke above him has some serious questions against him and our business this summer will go some way to answering
 
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Chunksafc said:
My two penneth, LJ had potential but appeared to belive his own hype, the tinkering, the random formations, the coach speak all didn't help him. Last season he stumbled on a centre back pairing by accident iirc. This season he wanted a small squad which resulted in us flogging players when they clearly needed a rest.

Neil has come in and done wonders with a lop sided squad, one missing back up in key areas and has us firing. But I watched his press conference Friday and to me he came across a bit too "straight talking" I felt there was almost a disdain at the questions asked and it concerned me.

I do think he could do an amazing job here, but Im not convinced he will stick around if its not all his own way.
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He certainly appears to be a departure from the "model" they appeared to introduce when KLD bought part of the club. I wonder if the 12 month rolling contract was Neil or Speakmann's idea?
 
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TopCat_SMB said:
He certainly appears to be a departure from the "model" they appeared to introduce when KLD bought part of the club. I wonder if the 12 month rolling contract was Neil or Speakmann's idea?
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I would suggest it was the clubs idea based on nothing more than a feeling I have
 
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