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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Billy Bates

    Billy Bates Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for replying. And yep, dont disagree with much of that.

    I have been fairly lucky in my career and with money, but wouldn’t quite describe myself as a millionaire (not yet but not far off it either), but I think reading this thread over the last 2 years has made me realise I’m most definitely not a socialist, or perhaps, and this is my confusion, i have read what some like Badger says about it, and wouldn’t want to be that - he comes across as angry and bitter and has no rational position that I can see (in that it is just vitriol to a whole party just because of who they are, without really thinking some of the stuff that has been done hasn’t all been bad - does that make sense???).

    My concern is i imagine there is far, far more to socialism than what I believe he portrays, and i feel blurred by his (and others on here to be fair to him) view(s), that i just dont feel informed/know sufficient to know. And id like to know, as it may actually fit what i feel. Then i could likely understand how most on here feel, and join your frustrations…
     
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  2. Billy Bates

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    Ian, see i get confused with some of this.

    So, anyone who has a job thinks others should have one too - see id largely agree with this, whilst recognising that some people literally cant have one for valid reasons. yet some people (most of my dads side of the family), are scummy bastards who wont ever work a day in their life and always want to rely on benefits. Trouble is, they cause more issues for the people who really need it, but we do need to find a valid and equitable manner in which to weed out those bastards i refer to.

    Also, what does the term - ordinary working class folk actually mean? i think backl to my childhood and think you mean blue collar against whiter collar workers, and wondered if that is what you mean. To me, everyone who works is working folk!
     
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  3. Billy Bates

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    Thank you for replying - i always thought you had me on ignore.

    So, would you can as onb behalf of them? See i dont think i could ever get that involved in politics, if that was what you meant.

    Im at the point now where I’m slightly less concerned for myself, and am thinking about the futures of my children, and that is far harder as it is such a long term outlook.
     
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  4. StJabbo1

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    I'm doing my best to promote the Electoral Reform Society https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/ along with that tactical voting and hoping the opposition parties work together to remove the current incompetent bunch of corrupt sycophants led by a proven liar.

    Perhaps more controversial was my breakfast, lightly toasted brown bread smeared with marmite topped with bacon bits and mushrooms, a generous layer of strong brie melted through then a fried egg on top and a good blob of HP sauce on the plate. Orange juice and fresh coffee alongside.
     
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  5. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    I don’t think controversial is a strong enough word for that!

    Going by the food I assume the coffee and juice are in the same cup!
     
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  6. StJabbo1

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    Certainly not! Whatever gave you that impression?
     
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  7. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    I’m not a canvasser, more a campaigner I think, whatever that means

    My values make it relatively easy for me to know who I really want to vote for as I know the sort of country I want me, my kids, my friends etc to live in

    I also know that the current government doesn’t share these values
     
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  8. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    :emoticon-0136-giggl Well you’ve proved you’re bonkers I just don’t know where it stops!?

    Bacon and mushrooms fried in butter and garlic is god food for me, with none of the additions you mention :eek:
     
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  9. StJabbo1

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    I'll go along with that but it needs the toast, marmite and brie plus hash browns or potato croquettes possibly tomatoes and black pudding.

    As for being bonkers, I've been a Saints supporter for more than 60 years and can confirm it does help.
     
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    What we used to call Toast Hawaii ( Ham and pineaple). Yeah, well Into that, use what you,ve and Put it on toast :emoticon-0142-happy
     
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  11. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    Can’t argue with that
     
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  12. StJabbo1

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    Forgot the baked beans. Needed because beans beans are good for your heart.
     
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    Marmite is pretty controversial in our house. All I have to do to terrify my French friend, is wave the jar at her. It’s like cryptonite for French people, apparently.
     
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  15. Gregm1988

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    I wonder how many continental Europeans receive it well. Pretty sure Italians (in general) have a similar reaction to the French
     
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    This is such an important issue for many women who have always voted for Labour but now find themselves politically homeless. Keir Starmer strives for Labour to be the 'Inclusive' party but has not thought through the damaging effect his stance for GRA reform will have on women and girls.

    Over the past couple of years, grassroots women's movements have been growing and coming together to make a stand for the rights of women and girls. Maintaining single sex spaces is so important for women's sport, women's prisons, women's refuges and rape crisis centres. It's not surprising that since last week's launch of the 'Respect my Sex if you want my X' campaign for the local elections, it has been trending on twitter (along with JK Rowling of course)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...nt-female-movement-Suffragettes.html#comments

    Women's groups in England, Wales, Scotland and N Ireland are mobilising for the local elections in May because it's easy to forget just how much control is under local authority : from single sex services such as changing rooms in sports centres and toilet facilities in parks, to the guidance given to schools about sex education and how they respond to children who are gender-questioning. Local services touch everybody's lives — and it's local authorities making decisions which lead to funding being taken away from women's refuges and rape crisis centres, for example, if they don't open up their services to biological males who identify as women.

    Politicians can't keep stumbling over the question, 'Can women have a penis?'
     
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    Growing numbers of women are trying to combat the 'shouty minority' and the Stonewall grift - Women Uniting, Sex Matters and Women's Rights Network (WRN) to name a just few. These women are meeting, writing to MPs and local authorities, protesting outside Government institutions, leafleting and yes, getting arrested for tying ribbons to lamp-posts (Marion Millar, Scotland)

    It's tough to get your voice heard though when so many big institutions- the Police, NHS, most universities and until recently the BBC are captured by Stonewall but more media coverage from the Mail, Times and Telegraph in support of women, is bringing female voices to the fore. I'm guessing Keir Starmer only reads the Guardian these days.
     
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  19. Gregm1988

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    Out of interest, what do you mean by the “Stonewall Grift”

    I sometimes take a glance a Pink News to see what the current perspective is. It seems to be utterly dominated by Transgender issues. Most of the other stuff is all seemingly being sidelined. Is that at least partly what you mean ?
     
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  20. StJabbo1

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    If I remember correctly there are a few on here that gag at the mention of marmite.
     
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