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  1. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    3 of those draws v top bald were against Chelsea twice and city though who are far superior to rest of the top half.

    take this out it’s 8 games. 4 wins, 2 draws 2 defeats. Not brilliant but not as bad.
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    well it is what it is, it is the difference largely between us and city. the missed opportunity that leading (v cheslea and city and failing to complete the game and not scoring for 45mins v a 10 men cheslea) at home represents.

    Brighton was also a 2 goal lead at the time.

    I think we have improved since or at least look it with vvd at least.

    the big thing is thiago is now ****ed again and won't be back before the inter game for sure.
     
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  3. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    We improved defensively with VVD returning to great levels and by having Thiago / Naby next to Fabinho. The combination works brilliantly.
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    naby was ****e v chelsea but give him a less intense opponent and he will do well.
     
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  5. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    He wasn't ****e though. Kante always bullies us but Naby dealt with him very well - possibly the worst I've seen from Kante. It was the person on the right side who was ****e.
     
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  6. Zanjinho

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    Keita was ****e, that's why he was first to be hooked
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yup. he was **** on a stick.

    mentally he wasn't at the races. he was second to everything and one paced.
     
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  8. Jimmy Squarefoot

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  9. Zanjinho

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    He's played well before and will do again, don't let bias for your love child get in the way of your judgement mate
     
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  10. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Not biased mate. I think he was very poor for the first 15 mins (partly down to being thrown in at the last minute and the other down to the rest of the team not being at the races).

    The reason why I think he was good is because we got more control once he got into the game along with Fabinho, and how our left side was really really good. It was the source for a lot of our attacks and good play. The other reason is what I mentioned earlier - Kante and Kova literally bully our team every game. Kova still had a good game because he was up against Hendo (who was the worst of the midfield 3 and by some distance) whilst Kante had one of his poorest games - a lot of it down to Naby. And no coincidence that we lost ALL control once he came off and Milner came on his place.

    That's not to say he was amazing but it's to say we need to stop expecting him to be the Leipzig all action midfielder he once was. As the left CM, he needs to sit alongside Fab and protect - he's a Gini lite. Nothing fancy but he's blocking passing lanes and covering space, and is a pressing demon. He is the only person who can cover for Thiago in that role and his record in the team with Fab is very very good. Not a coincidence.
     
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    He's generally **** and gets injured a lot too. Still want rid
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Ketia really really wasn't good

    He wasn't at the races.

    It was matip and vvd holding the ball and slowing it down that got us into the game a bit.
     
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    Bite ;)
     
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    We can all see Luis Diaz's quality on the ball but how is he getting on off the ball in one of the toughest and more complex pressing teams in world football:

    Presses p90
    31 Elliott
    27 Firmino
    26 Jota, Keita, DIAZ, Ox 25 Minamino, Jones
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    17 Salah, Milner

    Press Efficiency (Successful Presses/Total Presses)
    0.922 DIAZ
    0.921 Elliott
    0.886 Thiago
    0.876 Mane
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    0.782 Henderson
    0.772 Robertson
    0.745 Milner

    Possession Wins from pressing p90
    7.0 Keita
    6.7 DIAZ
    6.4 Thiago, Ox
    6.0 Firmino
    5.9 Fabinho
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    4.1 Salah, Mane
    4.0 Henderson
    3.9 Origi

    Minutes per press leading to goal or shot
    101 DIAZ
    136 Fabinho
    148 Keita
    165 Jones
    168 Thiago
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    346 Jota
    418 Henderson
    527 Milner
     
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  15. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    In summary - he's doing very well.
     
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    Using just my eyes, I'd have said he's one our better if not best presser. The lad never stops running, I think he's got bionic lungs!
     
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  17. InBiscanWeTrust

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    By all accounts been on radar for few years and we’re going to make a move this summer for him, but spurs being interested in January’s is prob best thing to happen for us as it made us push ahead early and no doubt he’s going to provide a boost for the run in.

    Does make you wonder why we were going to wait. I know klopp doesn’t like doing business in January but if they are confident in the right player then get them in asap surely.
     
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  18. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    This is my one criticism of our recruitment (but is also a strength) - we identify perfect players but we are happy to wait for them. Sometimes, we can wait a bit too long which then means our squad is a little light until that person comes in (we could have done with Konate last year and would have been good to have another attacker last year).

    But we wait and wait for that perfect player to become available and we will do our best to not deviate from that. It also gives the player the opportunity to make it clear that they want LFC only - we will not engage in bidding wars for players.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    not when we have greats like milner, orgi and minamino mate. they allow us to wait for ever... apparently.
     
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  20. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Well, Origi is finally leaving and I can't see Milner staying next year - once he's off the books, I imagine that's when we will announce the Mo contract extension.
     
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