There is sympathy, outrage and anger and that is understandable and genuine. We are seeing multiple pictures and videos of the suffering in Ukraine - this is in contrast to the absence of such media coverage of the results of Nato bombings in places like Afghanistan, Iraq and Belgrade. Or the thousands who have died as a result of US drone attacks since. We have a Serbian in my wife's family who was in Belgrade at the time and still bears the mental scars of it now - where was the intensive media coverage then ? At that time Nato did everything from the air. There are a number on here who have claimed Nato to be purely a defensive force - that is rubbish. All the outrage about invading another countries sovereign territory and how this is an international crime - it is - but it was also that in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia and Libya - all those places would be able to testify that Nato is not just a defensive organization. Naturally there were excuses for all those actions - are these any more valid than those used by Putin now ? Are you sure that they are ? Don't go away with the false idea that I am somehow a fan of Russia or Putin - he is a madman, and I condemn his actions, but the West has a share of the responsibility in his rise to power through Nato's encroachments right up to Russia's doorstep. Though naturally the World would be a safer place without him.
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It's the fear that Putin plays on. He's issued a very thinly-veiled threat of nuclear war if NATO intervenes. My conscience tells me that NATO should intervene, but I don't want it to because I'm scared of what the consequences might be. NATO leaders are scared too.
Zelenskyy giving his daily briefing, he's such an impressive guy to listen to. You can see why any Ukranian listening to him would be willing to lay down their life for their country. Wish we had a Prime Minister like that !
If western allies fire upon Russian forces we are, almost certainly, at WW3.
Let that sink in.
Of course my gut reaction is to put the full might of NATO into Ukraine, in the air and at sea.
In a conventional war, Russia would be decimated.
I now realise that Putin looks to have become unhinged, as well as ruthless.
Can we risk nuclear war over this?
It may be that he just keeps coming if he truly has lost it, which would force our hands anyway.
Let that sink in.
Of course my gut reaction is to put the full might of NATO into Ukraine, in the air and at sea.
In a conventional war, Russia would be decimated.
I now realise that Putin looks to have become unhinged, as well as ruthless.
Can we risk nuclear war over this?
It may be that he just keeps coming if he truly has lost it, which would force our hands anyway.
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Brilliant ! Well done Poland. Nice to see someone forcing FIFA'S hand for a change. Everyone needs to show Russia that they can't get away with it
Wow so the French can stop boats in the English Channel
We would beat them. They are a dinosaur. I listened to the military analyst on CNN who collated all the data and said they are fighting a 20th Century war. Inferior equipment,crap tactics that havent been properly thought out.
However any idiot can press a button or fire a machine gun.
Makes you think about all the cuts in our military?
It's interesting that US and Russian generals have lines of communication and are still speaking. One would hope the latter might start exercising some discretion if Putin's orders became too extreme.
Funny you mention that as I heard the same last night. Hopefully the have sensible people on the line.
Exactly but Russia would lose a conventional war.
The best thing that could (probably will) happen is they turn on him from within.
FIFA will monitor the situation? What f*cking planet are Infantino and his lackeys on? Amazing that when the chips are down money still comes to the fore. Russia should be kicked out of every sporting event without exception, they've cheated at many in the past as if that wasn't a barometer of their psyche...