You would have thought so but Chelsea have had 14 in the past 17 years and just keep wracking up the trophies!
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You would have thought so but Chelsea have had 14 in the past 17 years and just keep wracking up the trophies!
They belong on the same box as Watford though - all to do with unreasonable expectations
Maybe...but the reason I raised them was cos you said managerial stability is vital to success but in Chelsea's case that simply ain't true.
They sacked AVB in March 2012 cos they were doing poorly and yet they won the FA Cup and CL in May 2012.
They sacked Lampard in January 2021 cos they were doing badly and yet they won the CL in May 2021.
In both cases they spent no money so it was a manager thing rather than money.
I agree, I don’t think changing managers often is necessarily a bad thing either. Football is a ruthless business and you can’t afford to dilly-dally
Chelsea are an anomaly though. Sacking successful managers is a rarity. The question with Chelsea is could they have won even more had they had managerial stability like Utd under SAF? Could they have dominated in the PL and Europe given their resources - especially before City, PSG and the like got rich?
I actually have no idea how or why it works for Chelsea but it does...and it is bloody annoying
Chelsea have won the same amount of CL in 10 years as Utd did under the whole Fergie era, I’m no fan of Roman but his ruthlessness with managers helps them rather than hinders them imo.
Maybe so. Almost every other club needs a new manager to do some rebuilding. He doesn’t have any loyalty to those who have been successful. He doesn’t wait then to fail before sacking them. So the new manager tends to inherit a decent team/squad or he’s backed with funds. Only a handful of clubs can operate like this - and Utd aren’t one of them.
Since Fergie you guys have been the biggest spenders alongside City. I'd say you are one of those clubs (although not very successfully).
That isn't the point; the issue wasn't spending per se.
The discussion was about turnover of managers.
Roman has sacked successful ones where the team/squad has been strong and still backed the new manager with funds.
Utd are starting from a lower base - the spending hasn't improved the team enough to be successful. City's spending has bought success.
I agree, United started from a lower base although it was hardly the worse team (aging but just finished premier league winners), but if 8 years worth of multi million spending doesn't get you to your base now then i don't know what else you need.
You've spent about the same gross and way more net than the chelsea team, as well as spunking wages far higher than chelsea.
In the same time, it took city only 4/5 seasons to win the league and manager changing to, admittedly nowadays the bar has been set a lot higher
You said turning over the managers wouldn't make a difference for United, i beg to differ as you have some quality players but for whatever reason, the managers can't get them to gel (mainly cause they like to attack and you've been hiring managers who don't know how to coach the players to attack).
Utd tried to spend under Moyes to improve the squad, but failed, signing only Fellaini for an inflated price. Never recovered. Constantly chasing our tail trying to find a quick fix. The team since then has been much less than the sum of its parts.,
In the "lottery win" eras, Citeh have won as many PL titles
as Chelsky, in two thirds of the time. With managerial
stability, they now look they will be the new empire.
We've certainly given Chelsea (or Fulham Wanderers as they are known) a lot of charity recently. Enoughs enough. We know about money from stolen oilwells helping their cause....but fingers out lads.THIS IS WAR!
I struggle to see the signings of Sancho, Van de Beek, Maguire, Fernandes, Bissaka, Bailly, Pogba, Lindelof, Lukaku, Martial, Depay and Shaw as "constantly chasing our tail trying to find a quick fix".
How is signing a stream of young talent or talent approaching its peak a 'quick fix'?
And yes, there have been a fair few bizarre signings mixed in with those such as Fellaini and Fred but none more so than any other club. On paper your transfer business since Fergie left has been: a) significantly more impressive than it ever was under Fergie, and b) significantly more impressive than at least 18 others teams in the PL.
So I'm not entirely sure what United fans are up in arms about, nor can I comprehend the sympathy the club seems to get in the media for being this poor mismanaged statesman.
Thomas Frank charged by the FA over his conduct towards a referee, where was Klopp`s charge the other week when he displayed improper conduct towards Paul Tierney on live TV.
