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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
The Home Secretary is responsible for MI5. It seems this woman has been watched for years and the timing of today's revelation stinks. If, as Gardiner claims, he has been liaising with the security services all along, Priti Vacant needs to explain why this has come out now.
To be honest Strolls, the whole superstructure is now so comprehensively ****ed from whatever angle you look at it that taking a good step back and saying ‘a plague on all your houses’ seems a logical response to me. Why the **** would Gardiner accept so much cash from an obvious Chinese government plant unless he was either greedy or aligned with the Chinese government? Why the **** would 34 Tory MPs accept cash from a corrupt Russian oligarch if it wasn’t greed or an ideological attachment to money? Why the **** would anyone waste their breath and conscience trying to make excuses for these ****s?
 
£500k is a lot of dosh chaps. I think this will open up a can of worms. Expect more names to come out soon.
 
Oh look another one who won’t accept any news about Labour MPs wrongdoings
Sorry Ellers I thought u had a grudge against anyone who didn't support Boris so was just giving u the opportunity to tell us how great they are. Unfortunately u haven't taken up that opportunity, and slagged off the opposition instead, which, I come to the conclusion u must be related to Boris!
 
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Sorry Ellers I thought u had a grudge against anyone who didn't support Boris so was just giving u the opportunity to tell us how great they are. Unfortunately u haven't taken up that opportunity, and slagged off the opposition instead, which, I come to the conclusion u must be related to Boris!
eer I said Boris was stupid yesterday and I have also said in other posts that he has been naive. Where is your condemnation of Gardiner?
 
eer I said Boris was stupid yesterday and I have also said in other posts that he has been naive. Where is your condemnation of Gardiner?
Cmon mate, fairs fair, if Boris is just stupid and naive then what does that make Gardiner? Just stupid and naive too?
One is definately a corrupt liar, proven over and over again and the other is looking like hes a corrupt **** too. The former is the leader of this country, the latter an mp in the opposition who should be sacked and hopefully will be.
 
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Anyone still defending this absolute shower must have a screw missing.

I just saw Nadine Dorries on the BBC news describing Johnson as being ashen-faced in his contrition. 'He gets it' she said.

Contrast this with the reports of Johnson going round the Commons tea-rooms after PMQs telling back-benchers that he didn't believe he did anything wrong and the government was undeservedly taking a hit.
 
I just saw Nadine Dorries on the BBC news describing Johnson as being ashen-faced in his contrition. 'He gets it' she said.

Contrast this with the reports of Johnson going round the Commons tea-rooms after PMQs telling back-benchers that he didn't believe he did anything wrong and the government was undeservedly taking a hit.
This woman has to be the most simple, stupid person in the government. Absolutely clueless. He was forced into a half arsed apology because he had been caught. He was denying any knowledge in the house only weeks before.
 
All these lap dogs are just reading from a script. They are just bots and actually damaging their own reputations for the sake of someone who doesnt give a flying **** about them. Really thick twats
 
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Cmon mate, fairs fair, if Boris is just stupid and naive then what does that make Gardiner? Just stupid and naive too?
One is definately a corrupt liar, proven over and over again and the other is looking like hes a corrupt **** too. The former is the leader of this country, the latter an mp in the opposition who should be sacked and hopefully will be.
That maybe your take on it but if it is found out that there has been a National security breach it puts a garden party in the shade.
 
I’m indifferent about the Royals so can’t pretend to be horrified that this government appear to have disrespected the Queen with their selfish behaviour, I’m more disgusted with the sheer contempt they show the public time after time believing they are bulletproof, it will however be interesting to see how Tory supporting royalists will react to this. Kinda expecting the ostrich approach.
 
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Some of the Tories who argued for VAT cuts as a Brexit dividend are now voting against themA dozen Tory MPs voted against slashing VAT on energy bills, despite promising to do so if Brexit went aheadReducing VAT on energy bills was used as a rallying cry by Brexiters ahead of the 2016 EU referendum (Photo: Getty)

By Emily Ferguson, Chloe Chaplain

January 11, 2022 8:49 pm(Updated 8:50 pm)

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At least 10 Tory MPs who voted against Labour’s proposal to cut VAT on fuel bills on Tuesday had promised to reduce the tax if Britons backed Brexit in the 2016 EU referendum.

Leading Tory Brexiters used the issue of VAT throughout the campaign and said quitting the EU would give Britain the power to reduce energy bills due to being free of EU competition laws.

Boris Johnson, one of the leading Tory figures within Vote Leave often used the example of VAT when campaigning, and previously said: “As long as we are in the EU, we are not allowed to cut this tax.

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“When we Vote Leave, we will be able to scrap this unfair and damaging tax.”

Which Tory MPs have argued for VAT cuts as a Brexit dividend?George Eustice, Environment Secretary and MP for Camborne and RedruthMichael Gove, Housing Secretary and MP for Surrey HeathChris Grayling, MP for Epsom and EwellBoris Johnson, Prime Minister and MP for Uxbridge and South RuislipPenny Mordaunt, Minister for Trade and MP for Portsmouth NorthDominic Raab, Justice Secretary and MP for Esher and WaltonIain Duncan Smith, former Tory leader and MP for Chingford and Woodford GreenDesmond Swayne, MP for New Forest WestTheresa Villiers, MP for Chipping BarnetJohn Whittingdale, MP for Maldon

At the height of the Vote Leave campaign Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and former Labour MP Gisela Stuart now Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston wrote a piece in The Sun promising “fuel bills will be lower for everyone” if Brexit went ahead.

They wrote: “In 1993, VAT on household energy bills was imposed. This makes gas and electricity much more expensive. EU rules mean we cannot take VAT off those bills.

“The least wealthy are hit particularly hard. The poorest households spend three times more of their income on household energy bills than the richest households spend. As long as we are in the EU, we are not allowed to cut this tax.

“When we Vote Leave, we will be able to scrap this unfair and damaging tax. It isn’t right that unelected bureaucrats in Brussels impose taxes on the poorest and elected British politicians can do nothing.”

On 14 June, 2016, 13 Government ministers and senior Conservatives pledged to abolish VAT on household energy bills in an open letter.

The signatories included George Eustice, Michael Gove, Chris Grayling, Boris Johnson, Penny Mordaunt, Dominic Raab, Iain Duncan Smith, Desmond Swayne, Theresa Villiers and John Whittingdale.

Mr Grayling wrote a separate letter the following day, where he called for a special Finance Bill that “would abolish the 5 per cent rate of VAT on household energy bills by the date of the next general election by amending the Value Added Tax Act 1994”.

He said the move would be “a major benefit for low income households” and would be paid for by “savings from the UK’s contributions to the EU budget”.

In a speech at Vote Leave HQ on 10 May 2016, Mr Duncan-Smith said: “If we want to cut VAT on fuel to help families afford to heat their homes, we should be free to do so.”