New owner confirmed…

[Mckechnie Orange]

No, I mean this one which quite willingly went along with them. http://holocaustonline.org/siemens/

Funny. That's the company I've been researching. They did quite well at limiting their armament production to electrical components from what I've read.
I suppose he should have refused to use forced labour and opted to see his family strung up on piano wire and meat hooks at the hands of the gestapo before meeting the same fate himself then?

 

[1MoreAgain]

Funny. That's the company I've been researching. They did quite well at limiting their armament production to electrical components from what I've read.
I suppose he should have refused to use forced labour and opted to see his family strung up on piano wire and meat hooks at the hands of the gestapo before meeting the same fate himself then?

Christ talk about takeovers and we end up on this.

And how do you know there was a piano, are you itk.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Christ talk about takeovers and we end up on this.

And how do you know there was a piano, are you itk.

Wartime social history and subsequesnt
politicisation of heritage? - yeah, sorta.

Turks buying football clubs? Not a scooby.

 

[Real ale tiger]

Newcastle fans cry (Literally) when they lose a big game.

Hull City fans cry when we win a big game.

FACT!

For me that's post of the year so far kempton

 

[Barchullona]

Funny. That's the company I've been researching. They did quite well at limiting their armament production to electrical components from what I've read.
I suppose he should have refused to use forced labour and opted to see his family strung up on piano wire and meat hooks at the hands of the gestapo before meeting the same fate himself then?

Come across this in your research? https://rtuc.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/siemens-monopoly-with-sinister-nazi-past/

 

[Barchullona]

Christ talk about takeovers and we end up on this.

And how do you know there was a piano, are you itk.

Funny how human rights are an issue with some things but not others.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Come across this in your research? https://rtuc.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/siemens-monopoly-with-sinister-nazi-past/

Looks a truly balanced, reliable and peer-reviewed source.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Funny how human rights are an issue with some things but not others.

Human rights are always an issue. I dont really think siemens in 2021 bears a great deal of similarity to the company 80 years ago though. The family ancestors only hold about 6% of shares. And if we refused to trade with any company with a murky past then half the world would be unemployed, and virtually no German manufacturing company would have survived the war.

You do realise that the social structure in Germany at the time was that you're either a Nazi or a traitor?

After seeing what happened to 'traitors' there is no surprise that even Hitlers opponents became Nazis. **** it, even Schindler was a Nazi, publicly exploited forced Labour yet saved hundreds of Jews on the sly and commendably took massive risk doing so.

Sadly, not everyone was that brave.

 

[Steven Toast]

Looks a truly reliable source.

It's a blog, so no.

Human rights are always an issue. I dont really think siemens in 2021 bears a great deal of similarity to the company 80 years ago though. And if we refused to trade with any company with a murky past then half the world would be unemployed.

You do realise that the social structure in Germany at the time was that you're either a Nazi or a traitor?

After seeing what happened to 'traitors' there is no surprise that even Hitlers opponents became Nazis. **** it, even Schindler was a Nazi, publicly exploited forced Labour yet saved hundreds of Jews on the sly.

A lot of companies around today, like Hugo Boss, Volkswagen, Kodak, Fanta, BMW and Ford all had ties to the Nazis. It's not as though we have any moral consistency when it comes to things like this, Volkswagen sell more cars than any other company around the world.

Plenty of German people survived the war without being war criminals, it feels like a lot of people just assume that everybody in Germany between 1939 and 1945 was a German soldier and therefore some kind of murderer.

 

[TwoWrights]

Human rights are always an issue. I dont really think siemens in 2021 bears a great deal of similarity to the company 80 years ago though. The family ancestors only hold about 6% of shares. And if we refused to trade with any company with a murky past then half the world would be unemployed, and virtually no German manufacturing company would have survived the war.

You do realise that the social structure in Germany at the time was that you're either a Nazi or a traitor?

After seeing what happened to 'traitors' there is no surprise that even Hitlers opponents became Nazis. **** it, even Schindler was a Nazi, publicly exploited forced Labour yet saved hundreds of Jews on the sly and commendably took massive risk doing so.

Sadly, not everyone was that brave.

Those that think Germans should have stood up to Adolf's lot more would do well to visit Dachau. It's a real eyeopener.

 

[Steven Toast]

Those that think Germans should have stood up to Adolf's lot more would do well to visit Dachau. It's a real eyeopener.

You hear it a lot with people today talking about refugees from Syria. "Why don't they just fight back against ISIS instead of running away?"

Well, because those that fight back have their families murdered in front of them, before having their heads sawn off with a rusty hacksaw.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

You hear it a lot with people today talking about refugees from Syria. "Why don't they just fight back against ISIS instead of running away?"

Well, because those that fight back have their families murdered in front of them, before having their heads sawn off with a rusty hacksaw.

Hacksaws don’t really rust in the heat mate

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Newcastle fans cry (Literally) when they lose a big game.

Hull City fans cry when we win a big game.

FACT!

Yet 52k still turn up. Maybe they have the right.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Those that think Germans should have stood up to Adolf's lot more would do well to visit Dachau. It's a real eyeopener.

The real eye opener is that you can go to a memorial of such an atrocity, and feel the devastating sorrow

Yet you won't accept that in the same circumstance with the same choices, you'd probably do the same.

That's the lesson. Not that 'this bunch or that bunch' or this company, that company are inherently evil (though the totalitarians at the ideological extremes come pretty close) - Its that all of us have the capacity within, and we're all capable of supporting death, suffering and exploitation if we're sufficiently removed from it, and if it makes for us an easier life.

Just like, in the right circumstances we're (mostly) all inherently capable of the greatest benevolence also.

We're all individually subjective. Sometimes we do bad to others out of desire to do good for ourselves, our family, friends or wider group we seek to identify with.

It's our nature, a throwback to our evolution.

But that's probably getting a bit deep for a city forum.

 

[tigerscanada]

The real eye opener is that you can go to a memorial of such an atrocity, and feel the devastating sorrow

Yet you won't accept that in the same circumstance with the same choices, you'd probably do the same.

That's the lesson. Not that 'this bunch or that bunch' or this company, that company are inherently evil (though the totalitarians at the ideological extremes come pretty close) - Its that all of us have the capacity within, and we're all capable of supporting death, suffering and exploitation if we're sufficiently removed from it, and if it makes for us an easier life.

Just like, in the right circumstances we're (mostly) all inherently capable of the greatest benevolence also.

We're all individually subjective. Sometimes we do bad to others out of desire to do good for ourselves, our family, friends or wider group we seek to identify with.

It's our nature, a throwback to our evolution.

But that's probably getting a bit deep for a city forum.

Darwin said it best. Or was it Russel Wallace?
Sod the Vikings (Norsemen), Rollo & Bill the Conqueror.
The worst phrase of all time: "We are what we are."
Blame Fred Hoyle - The Big Bang my arse.

 

[tigerscanada]

Hacksaws don’t really rust in the heat mate

The exact opposite I'm afraid if it's a humid climate.

https://www.hunker.com/12583637/how-can-the-weather-affect-the-rate-of-metal-rusting.
Depends on the composition of the steel as well.

 

[Barchullona]

It's a blog, so no.



A lot of companies around today, like Hugo Boss, Volkswagen, Kodak, Fanta, BMW and Ford all had ties to the Nazis. It's not as though we have any moral consistency when it comes to things like this, Volkswagen sell more cars than any other company around the world.

Plenty of German people survived the war without being war criminals, it feels like a lot of people just assume that everybody in Germany between 1939 and 1945 was a German soldier and therefore some kind of murderer.

It doesn't jibe with Steven's viewpoint, so no. Meanwhile we should all wring our hands and apologise for this country being involved in slavery centuries ago, knock down statues and say families whose descendants benefitted should pay reparations whilst companies involved in slavery 80 years ago are treated with understanding and their actions excused. Especially if they open a factory in Hull.
The ones you mention didn't operate in Auschwitz.

 

[Barchullona]

The real eye opener is that you can go to a memorial of such an atrocity, and feel the devastating sorrow

Yet you won't accept that in the same circumstance with the same choices, you'd probably do the same.

That's the lesson. Not that 'this bunch or that bunch' or this company, that company are inherently evil (though the totalitarians at the ideological extremes come pretty close) - Its that all of us have the capacity within, and we're all capable of supporting death, suffering and exploitation if we're sufficiently removed from it, and if it makes for us an easier life.

Just like, in the right circumstances we're (mostly) all inherently capable of the greatest benevolence also.

We're all individually subjective. Sometimes we do bad to others out of desire to do good for ourselves, our family, friends or wider group we seek to identify with.

It's our nature, a throwback to our evolution.

But that's probably getting a bit deep for a city forum.

Clive James said in a review of a TV programme about the death camps that every country has people amongst the population who would be quite happy to throw granny in a cesspit. This wasn't confined to Germany as events in Russia, China and more recently Cambodia showed by parties on the opposite side of the spectrum.

 

[Real ale tiger]

Those that think Germans should have stood up to Adolf's lot more would do well to visit Dachau. It's a real eyeopener.

I've been myself. There were torture and gas chambers a plenty. People thrown in oven burners still alive. They did this to their own at dachau.
Its a place that has a stench of misery.

 

[Stockholm Tiger]

Come across this in your research? https://rtuc.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/siemens-monopoly-with-sinister-nazi-past/

That's just a blog post. If you look at some of the other posts on that persons blog you may choose to take their opinions with a pinch of salt.

Funnily enough the fact that Siemens used forced labour isn't at all a secrete they embraced their past mistakes and it is included in their corporate history.