Yeah, an end point to an individual life, there is an end point for all of us, much the same as looking at a very old photograph and thinking, every person in that picture is now dead, it puts our existence into perspective, and fate moves to the next generation of existence, influenced by past. At this point, if Treble is still reading, he's lost and searching for the door to escape.
Throw a die, how many times does it come up six. Chances are unless it's weighted you have six chances of it being equally the same, is that random, about as random as dying is a certain fate.
Yeh but saffs version of it dont have six sides it has one so would you mind trying again? His sounds like there's some plan (fate) Ive seen the matrix several times btw
Fate is a series of events that combine to reach an outcome When I had my motor bike accident early on New Years day there were a series of events that led to the crash I was taking my girlfriend to the pictures to see Mary Poppins (I know, but she wanted to se it) The battery on the bike wasn't holding a charge but lights worked while engine running The choke wasn't working properly but I adjusted manually while riding the bike My girlfriends mum had asked if I wanted to stay the night but I saw my mum was expecting me home I reached a point where I could have chosen two routes I chose the one I did The choke played up again I did the usual adjustment and the engine died this time, no engine no lights I was hit almost as soon as I stopped If I had chosen the other route, or left may girlfriend 10 seconds later or stayed overnight the accident would not have happened Fate
Good example, and for you it reaches an outcome, but the chain of events do not conclude, because you live, and this will influence life as you a living human being, rather than the other path of a dead human being. Both those paths influence the lives of your closest loved ones and many others, known and unknown individuals.
The other side to my story is that had I not had the accident I probably, almost certainly would have married my then girlfriend, not met and married my first wife who gave birth to my children and there fore not met my second wife who I have spent there last 40 years with Sometimes the thoughts about various outcomes drives me crazy
Exactly mate. How your fate, influences the fate of others. We just got to convince sucky now and we have the makings of a film. Maybe title it the Matrix, I sense that's already been said on this thread....see how fate has just influenced me.
My life story from around thirteen to thirty five would make the Matrix look like a tame Disney cartoon I have cheated death so many times I am always looking over my shoulder
Us baby boomers knew how to live and nearly die as a result of living The modern generations dont know their born and wouldn't survive a term in my old school
I really liked this post and found it very thought provoking. I'd also like to congratulate @Sucky for creating his first intellectually stimulating thread. I guess I would ask: why stop measuring the "series of events" at the moment in time when you got on your motorbike? (Sounds like a horrible experience btw, hope you had a full recovery). Isn't it necessary to rewind even further back rather than picking an arbitrary moment in time as the start of a "sequence"? For example, you could go all the way back to the moment you met your then girlfriend and undo that moment, which would in turn undo all subsequent moments stretching across months or even years that led to that 'fateful' night when you got on a motorbike? Or go back even further to the area you grew up in and all the social, parental and educational influences you experienced in your life that made it more likely that you'd find a certain type attractive? Undo some or all of those and you could still go to the bar/wherever you met that girlfriend, but you'd never have even asked her out b/c your parents raised you in a different way or your peer group was different so you didn't find her appealing. Same end result only this time measured across decades: you don't get on that bike on that evening in that area. My admittedly limited experience has been that people tend to invoke 'fate' or similar when they want and/or are struggling to make sense of a particular chain of events. Sometimes we do this because we crave a semblance of meaning or control in our lives. Sometimes it is a way of coming to terms with loss or coping after trauma. We see the patterns and sequences we want to see, nothing more and nothing less than those patterns that are useful to us and don't destroy out inner lived narratives. The reality is it is impossible for any human to truly trace any sequence leading to any event, as there is no way of knowing which events in which chains in which moments combined to make the outcome we are grappling with more likely to happen. I think people use religious ideas in a similar way. Bottom line is we are all trying to make order out of chaos and if it brings us inner peace or we can learn a lesson from it, we'll draw a pattern. I'm not saying that's a bad thing by the way. On the contrary I don't think we'd be able to survive otherwise. I just don't think claims of 'fate' or the like have any ground to stand on.
