Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)
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Starmer does De Pfeffel Johnson over every time at PMQ’s and the response from the Tory’s is always laughing, sneering and avoiding being held to account. Much of this never seems to make the news or papers. One thing I can guarantee, if Starmer is around at the next election, he would wipe the floor with De Pfeffel Johnson on televised debates but I would fully expect them to be avoided by the Tory party.
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Good post mate.
What we need,fundamentally,is a change to the system which chops people in and out of power every 5 or 10 years or so.
It leads to the wrong kind of people being elected.....short-term pretty boys and girls, whose main attribute is the ability to bat away questions...and ,who already have their career path afterwards lined up in their minds before even taking office. eg....Both Blair and Cameron had already identified when they would be stepping down even as they took control,and said as much.?? If that doesn't smack of short-term,vote grabbing policies,then what does?
Both of them knew the lucrative benefits which awaited them.
That's what i meant when i thought he had it in him. The first few PMQ that I watched he had him on the ropes but never seems to finish him off. like you say, the sniping and sneering doesn't help. . He is leader of the Labour Party mate, he needs to make sure it hits the nationals, he needs to be out there shouting from the roof tops
I can see I'd be wasting my time trying to win your vote for the next election
i cannot believe that there are still some that reckon our PM makes all the decisions, look at his/her 'experts' that they always seek for advice..the leaders are simply a spokesperson and the real choices are made by those hidden in the background.
i stand by my thoughts that a decent housewife could give any of them a run for their money, they are usually the ones who attempt to run a household on a tight budget and the only difference is the amount they have to 'play with'...make no mistake if an MP fecks up he/she will not lose out and will normally even end up in pocket while the rest of us have to tighten our belts even further 'we are all in this together' has been mentioned a few times by various PM's but how can someone with millions sat in a bank account feel the strain the same as us mere mortals, how can multi millionaires stand there and tell us how much we need to live on when they have no clue or concept of 'doing without'?
i hate all political parties right now, bunch of lying c@nts the lot of them only in it for whatever they can get out of it and feck the rest...we need a new party of regular people who actually want to do what is best for the country, not just themselves and family members.
i stand by my thoughts that a decent housewife could give any of them a run for their money, they are usually the ones who attempt to run a household on a tight budget and the only difference is the amount they have to 'play with'...make no mistake if an MP fecks up he/she will not lose out and will normally even end up in pocket while the rest of us have to tighten our belts even further 'we are all in this together' has been mentioned a few times by various PM's but how can someone with millions sat in a bank account feel the strain the same as us mere mortals, how can multi millionaires stand there and tell us how much we need to live on when they have no clue or concept of 'doing without'?
i hate all political parties right now, bunch of lying c@nts the lot of them only in it for whatever they can get out of it and feck the rest...we need a new party of regular people who actually want to do what is best for the country, not just themselves and family members.
The problem is behind the scenes and not the latest wet wipe they chuck out the front to represent them. They remind me a bit like Sunderland under Ellis Short, they keep thinking a new boss will bring around a change in fortunes but the electorate are still hearing the same background noises and nothing is really changing.
If Labour booted momentum out and put an ordinary decent man/woman in charge, they'd have every chance in an election, at the moment. They've literally forgotten about their core support to make sure no homosexual, ethnic minority, Mental Health sufferer or trans person gets left behind. As much as that is honourable they need to shift their focus because folk want to know what they're doing for them, their businesses, their family, education, transport. Unfortunately, they'll no doubt dig their heels in and call for more socialism and left wing ideas driving people further away from them.
...and there lies the modern day problem, they want/need/feel obliged to include everyone and every type of person, every colour, every religion, every minority they really are losing touch...as a country we have had laws, rules and regulations, built up and introduced over many, many years that are now being twisted and ignored allowing some to break/bend a few and others to ignore the rest and introduce new ones for them only...once you do that you lose control and respect, very few people now have any *real problems with others of different race, colour, sexuality, religion etc so i do not feel there is this need to (pardon the expression) lick every feckers @rse now, we are one people so once a political party realises this and begins to treat the people as one we might be able to move forward.
* yes i do realise there are still some around but i feel they are far in the minority now
S
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He isn't a leader mate....he's someone the Party has put up to try to mitigate the Corbin disaster.
He has no more clue than the party he represents.
I can see I'd be wasting my time trying to win your vote for the next election
So are you happy with how the conservatives are running the country?
Happy that the NHS is on its knees(although both parties are at fault for that one)?
Happy that more and more kids are in poverty?
Happy that more and more people are having to use foodbanks?
Happy that the tories have used Covid to line their own pockets?
i could probably go on but thats just off the top of my head
Or is it you are just voting tory so the "other lot" dont get in?
All of these are problems that are far more complex to solve than just changing the party in power. Some of these are societal problems that require change on a much deeper level. To suggest that corruption wouldn't occur with another party in power is naive. None of these are reasons to keep the Conservatives in power but, in my opinion, they are, at the same time, paper thin arguments for ousting them.
Yeah, I'm happy enough with how the Tories are running the country. I'm pretty happy regardless who has been running the country, tbh. I've never felt directly affected by any of our governments before. Maybe that's me just walking around in my own little world, though.
I'm probably not voting at the next election, in all honesty. I only started voting for Brexit and then afterwards because the Tories were determined to go with the will of the people and the other parties were trying to change the will of the people. That arrogance will always be remembered and rightfully so. Self serving ****ers.
Until Labour stop pratting about and get serious on issues that people actually care about they'll continue to be a spent force.
The NHS has been on it's knees for as long as I can remember. Similar to the Labour rallying cry at every election that I can remember about if you vote Tory you'll lose the NHS and need to go private. 30 years and counting... I also believe that the NHS has been great for us but it needs a little help and that might mean we should maybe contribute a little something when we need to use it. I'd personally have no issue with that because I'm not a socialist who wants everything paid for me.
Covid has rescued Brexit it would seem by muddying the water ...
.... I originally thought it would take us 10 years to recover from Brexit, now I think it could be double.
The problems are being masked by Covid, and used as a blanket excuse, but that won't wash for too long.
The NE will never see the huge improvements and 'levelling up' that were promised, it was all lies.
It reminded me of when Donald & Methven arrived ...
... people were so desperate for change and hope that they believed it would all be better.
.... I originally thought it would take us 10 years to recover from Brexit, now I think it could be double.
The problems are being masked by Covid, and used as a blanket excuse, but that won't wash for too long.
The NE will never see the huge improvements and 'levelling up' that were promised, it was all lies.
It reminded me of when Donald & Methven arrived ...
... people were so desperate for change and hope that they believed it would all be better.
But if you step back and consider, you have to wonder WHY.
How come so many rich, Tory people get into Parliament.
You would expect that the 'working class' would be inclined to vote for their own kind.
Similarly the upper and middle classes for their own.
BUT, there are so many more of us 'working class'.
So what is it that makes these people vote for the upper and middle class types.
For me it's a clear sign that Labour, the party that SHOULD be representing their interests is failing them badly.
It's failing the poor, the downtrodden in fact all who need help and support.
The blame for this doesn't lie at Eton Collage, it lies with the activists and their ambitions.
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Sorry, I'm on my soapbox today.
I'll call it quits now .
I think that what we need is proportional representation. That would probably result in coalition goverment where they would have to have a concensus to get anything done. It should also stop the extreme right and left taking control.
Something like this was imposed by the allies in Germany after the war, and they have certainly made it work.
I do not mean a coalition like the tory lib dem crap.
Doubt it will ever happen though.
My opinion of Johnson is that he is an liar, amoral, entitled, corrupt, complacent, incompetent, arrogant, narcissistic scumbag.
I don't like Corbyn either.
Something like this was imposed by the allies in Germany after the war, and they have certainly made it work.
I do not mean a coalition like the tory lib dem crap.
Doubt it will ever happen though.
My opinion of Johnson is that he is an liar, amoral, entitled, corrupt, complacent, incompetent, arrogant, narcissistic scumbag.
I don't like Corbyn either.
I understand what you're getting at but I think it's more complicated than that. Many aspects of Conservatism, espouse hard work, diligence, and pride in a job done well. Things that I was brought up to believe were traditional 'working class' values. Another factor is that, despite dismantling of heavy industry under Thatcher, her policies were often beneficial to the 'working classes' in areas that weren't heavily industrialised. Certainly the opening up of the The City to people who weren't from middle class backgrounds was to the benefit of people who would have been considered to be working class. The shift of the Labour party to policies reminiscent of A Level students and the fact that many of the so called working class hold right wing views further blurs such distinctions. Furthermore, many Labour politicians (Corbyn and Foot are good examples) are/were not from working class backgrounds. All this is allied to the fact that the class system as it used to be understood is no longer applicable to British society. Politics should be a meritocracy and shouldn't be run on outdated notions of class.
Yes I think you are correct in saying Proportional Representation results in Coalition government.
This means of course we vote for a particular party ( or person? Sometimes there is a slate). Then after we have all voted the various parties they 'horse trade' with one another to decide who is in charge. Not sure that is better than what we have, majority party rules... imho when the tories and liberals joined in a coalition, I thought it was hopeless. It all but killed the Liberals, cos they sold out.
Italy seems to have an election most years and their government is in a mess ir even more corrupt than ours.
I am not saying that I think our democracy is good it obviously isn't. My own view for what it is worth, is subsidiarity... ie decisions should be taken at the lowest level possible. So national defence is central government... most other matters should be passed down to county and local government. Who should like the USA have the equivalent of Federal and State and local taxes levy powers.
