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irishgreen said:
"But A lot of the kids dying, and wars etc are in direct conflict with religious teaching
you say god is responsible
I believe those without god are .

I never said God was responsible.I don't think there is a god,so why would I say that.

What I did say was,if there is a 'god' why would he let such things happen?

Why would a all seeing all knowing god let children survive for one week?
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I can only give you an answer based on my belief etc, and a very simplified version

If the ultimate goal is paradise then these children are the lucky ones
those inflicting the suffering will be the unlucky ones

Its about perspective. what you see as silly or whatever I may see differently
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I can only give you an answer based on my belief etc, and a very simplified version

If the ultimate goal is paradise then these children are the lucky ones
those inflicting the suffering will be the unlucky ones

Its about perspective. what you see as silly or whatever I may see differently
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I respect your beliefs Fan.I just can't fathom them.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
What would be the point?
He'd do exactly what he's done in interviews and avoid answering the questions put to him.

I'll ask you again, as you haven't answered me yet.
What is it that you think I'm afraid he'll do?

Do you know Abu-Hamza, by the way?
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The point would be that it would address your concerns about his income etc. You could maybe discuss athiesm with him?
You dont know waht he 'would' do

I know he wont do anything, but your reluctance to have your burning questions answered is frankly worrying and signs of fear

I dont know, know abu hamza but i have met him. As acknowledged before he was given an awrd years ago
 
If the ultimate goal is paradise then these children are the lucky ones
those inflicting the suffering will be the unlucky ones

What a load of crap. If you believe this then you are really screwed up, and totally without hope.
 
irishgreen said:
I respect your beliefs Fan.I just can't fathom them.
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Thats fair enough. At least you are not pretentious and start mocking etc

The thing is it is difficult to address specific things, .... well specifically

eg If you dont believe in a creator its no point discussing the smaller/finer points regarding war and famine etc
and I dont mean that in a pretentious/facetious way
 
Cuckoo said:
If the ultimate goal is paradise then these children are the lucky ones
those inflicting the suffering will be the unlucky ones

What a load of crap. If you believe this then you are really screwed up, and totally without hope.
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Not to me in all honesty

I cant fathom that the likes of Bush and blair will not suffer for their atrocities
That is 'more' unfair in my eyes
 
thefanwithnoname said:
The point would be that it would address your concerns about his income etc. You could maybe discuss athiesm with him?
You dont know waht he 'would' do

I know he wont do anything, but your reluctance to have your burning questions answered is frankly worrying and signs of fear

I dont know, know abu hamza but i have met him. As acknowledged before he was given an awrd years ago
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No, it wouldn't address my concerns about his income, as there's no guarantee that he'd even answer me, let alone if he'd answer me honestly.
He's repeatedly demonstrated that he's unwilling to discuss his employment, so it seems unlikely that he'd make an exception for me, doesn't it?

I have no reason to be afraid of him and I've never indicated that anything about him is scary, apart from his rhetoric.

As you've previously pointed out about Abu Hamza's past, it doesn't impact upon who he is now.
He's currently an inmate in Belmarsh prison.

Would you agree with his claims that martyring yourself via a suicide bombing is actually shahada?
What about this statement?
"Killing of the kafir (non-believer) for any reason you can say it is OK, even if there is no reason for it."
Ring true for you?
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Yeah it was weak

See for me there is an order to my faith or whatever you want to call it

I believe there is a creator - Allah
I believe he communicates with me via the Quran and Hadiths
I believe some things are outside my comprehension and understanding
There are some things which are explained to me that are 'different' to the mainstream

For example I have a disabled kid, I was upset until I looked at the Islamic perspective
He is guaranteed paradise (not the media version) and he can intercede on my behalf
I also now see that medication for mum may have contributed to the disability

But A lot of the kids dying, and wars etc are in direct conflict with religious teaching
you say god is responsible
I believe those without god are
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As an atheist, gay woman who is now disabled, what do your Islamic perspectives say about me? Am I guaranteed paradise like your son, or does that only stretch to Muslims?.
You are a mass of contradictions and have come across as a religious bigot, I shall block your posts so I no longer will have such propaganda stuffed down my throat, may I suggest the others on this thread trying to have a half decent conversation do so too.
Would love to be there when he realises there is no god.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I cant fathom that the likes of Bush and blair will not suffer for their atrocities
That is 'more' unfair in my eyes
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If Bush and Blair are right about the Christian god, then they can just repent and they still wouldn't suffer.
If they're wrong and you're right, then all it would take is a conversion to clean their slate.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
No, it wouldn't address my concerns about his income, as there's no guarantee that he'd even answer me, let alone if he'd answer me honestly.
He's repeatedly demonstrated that he's unwilling to discuss his employment, so it seems unlikely that he'd make an exception for me, doesn't it?

I have no reason to be afraid of him and I've never indicated that anything about him is scary, apart from his rhetoric.

As you've previously pointed out about Abu Hamza's past, it doesn't impact upon who he is now.
He's currently an inmate in Belmarsh prison.

Would you agree with his claims that martyring yourself via a suicide bombing is actually shahada?
What about this statement?
"Killing of the kafir (non-believer) for any reason you can say it is OK, even if there is no reason for it."
Ring true for you?
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yet you keep asking ME his details?
he refused to discuss it with certain media, never individually
scared methinks

having served his sentence

how is this relevant?
 
BoleynAli said:
As an atheist, gay woman who is now disabled, what do your Islamic perspectives say about me? Am I guaranteed paradise like your son, or does that only stretch to Muslims?.
You are a mass of contradictions and have come across as a religious bigot, I shall block your posts so I no longer will have such propaganda stuffed down my throat, may I suggest the others on this thread trying to have a half decent conversation do so too.
Would love to be there when he realises there is no god.
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<applause>
 
BoleynAli said:
As an atheist, gay woman who is now disabled, what do your Islamic perspectives say about me? Am I guaranteed paradise like your son, or does that only stretch to Muslims?.
You are a mass of contradictions and have come across as a religious bigot, I shall block your posts so I no longer will have such propaganda stuffed down my throat, may I suggest the others on this thread trying to have a half decent conversation do so too.
Would love to be there when he realises there is no god.
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why as an athiest would you be concerned with what Islamic perspective says about you

Put simply You are athiest, Islamically hell for you. rest of your issues dont have a bearing

and why you asking a question but then say you are going to block me?
 
thefanwithnoname said:
yet you keep asking ME his details?
he refused to discuss it with certain media, never individually
scared methinks

having served his sentence

how is this relevant?
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You keep saying I'm scared, but you still won't say what I'm supposed to be scared of.

Why did you avoid answering my questions about your imprisoned associate?
Scared?
 
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