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well you seem to, to suit your argument

didnt you say athiesm has nothing to do with god? or along those lines (as i know you like to be pedantic and semantic)

What have I ever redefined?

I don't know what you're referring to.
Please point out what I said or in what context I was saying it.
 
Not to my limited mind, as it's not my definition, it's that of your faith.
If something's unknowable, then by definition we can't know it.

my faith? is this where you explain what I believe?
We know all things have a creator


It's not semantics and you've yet to show that anything has a creator.
The three words that you've used all have different meanings.

It is semantics hence me using three words. doesnt matter which you use
nothig comes out of nothing

or if you prefer

A person or thing that brings something into existence. = creator



Completely untrue.

Absolutely true.

Anti-theists?
Yes, they are.
Well, anti-religion, at least.

or anti god

And no creator has ever been proven, so...

see earlier definition.
 
There is no 'lack of intelligence' imo. Most peopel do not have the 'knowledge' to decide either way. It may be difficult to prove but I bet a lot of 'athiests' are so because it is cool and dont know a thing about it.

As for the 'fairytales' bit, I find this a ludicrous argument tbh. If you want to look at fairy tales look at the 'scientific' assumptions and leaps of faith to 'fill in the gaps'. I gave one on this thread about the four artists asked to draw a woman based on 4 little fragments of bones. They made it up but people see it as true
How can true atheism not bother itself with god when atheism is the dis-belief of god. I'm afraid comments like that show your ignorance.
'I bet a lot of 'athiests' are so because it is cool and dont know a thing about it.' Again another desperate generalisation which undermines how seriously you should be taken.
Again if you don't know the source or origin of the universe why do you have to believe that there is some kind of meta-physical creator? There may simply be a source or origin that is yet to be discovered.
Finally I'm amazed that you mention fairytales in connection with science. I guess that you believe Eve was created from Adam's rib and that she was tempted by a talking snake etc etc etc.
 
What have I ever redefined?

I don't know what you're referring to.
Please point out what I said or in what context I was saying it.

I cant be arsed looking through previous threads. However it was clear that you believed that athiesm didnt concern itself with deities and god

It was in the context of defining athiesm
 
How can true atheism not bother itself with god when atheism is the dis-belief of god. I'm afraid comments like that show your ignorance.
'I bet a lot of 'athiests' are so because it is cool and dont know a thing about it.' Again another desperate generalisation which undermines how seriously you should be taken.
Again if you don't know the source or origin of the universe why do you have to believe that there is some kind of meta-physical creator? There may simply be a source or origin that is yet to be discovered.
Finally I'm amazed that you mention fairytales in connection with science. I guess that you believe Eve was created from Adam's rib and that she was tempted by a talking snake etc etc etc.

athiesm in its true form is simple 'no deities'. those on here often are anti god. that was the point

I know quite a few athiests who could not argue their corner, just do so to be cool

yes and that source and origin will be the 'creator'

and not quite. However see the bones and woman example
 
my faith? is this where you explain what I believe?
We know all things have a creator

Are you not a Muslim, then?

We don't know that all things have a creator.
You've repeatedly asserted that without even the slightest attempt to prove it.

It is semantics hence me using three words. doesnt matter which you use
nothig comes out of nothing
or if you prefer
A person or thing that brings something into existence. = creator

The three words mean completely different things and the words creator and creation are too vague for what we're talking about.
If I say that I've created a painting, then people have a good idea what I mean.
If I say that I've created a universe, then that means something completely different.

Absolutely true.

Wrong.

or anti god

Atheists can't be anti-god, by definition.
Anti-theists are a separate argument, but you'd have to discuss that with them.

I cant be arsed looking through previous threads. However it was clear that you believed that athiesm didnt concern itself with deities and god

It was in the context of defining athiesm

How am I supposed to address that?

Is it just me or is the daily thefanwithnoname/pleasenotpoll show really entertaining?

He doesn't want to learn anything, so it's pretty pointless, really.
He asks for things and when those things are posted, he refuses to read any of it and just posts the same replies.

Brainwashed and scared. <ok>
 
Are you not a Muslim, then?

and?

We don't know that all things have a creator.
You've repeatedly asserted that without even the slightest attempt to prove it.

as i said I ccant think of 1 thing that doesnt have a creator, can you?

The three words mean completely different things and the words creator and creation are too vague for what we're talking about.
If I say that I've created a painting, then people have a good idea what I mean.
If I say that I've created a universe, then that means something completely different.

pick one and name 1 thing
both your examples need a creator (see earlier definition)


Wrong.

prove it

Atheists can't be anti-god, by definition.
Anti-theists are a separate argument, but you'd have to discuss that with them.

anti god anti thiest same thing imo

How am I supposed to address that?

look back through the archives?


He doesn't want to learn anything, so it's pretty pointless, really.
He asks for things and when those things are posted, he refuses to read any of it and just posts the same replies.

or reads them highlights a flaw and then you get semantic/pedantic
all I asked for was 1 thing


Brainwashed and scared. <ok>

of course <laugh>
 
athiesm in its true form is simple 'no deities'. those on here often are anti god. that was the point

I know quite a few athiests who could not argue their corner, just do so to be cool

yes and that source and origin will be the 'creator'

and not quite. However see the bones and woman example
'no deities' And that means no god it's not rocket science.
'that source and origin will be the 'creator' WHY???? The source might have been an explosion which happened all by itself without a huge bearded bloke lighting a giant match.
Don't you see that you are clutching for an answer and any answer will do. You need to understand that things can remain unexplained.
 
'no deities' And that means no god it's not rocket science.

I think you missed the initial point tbh. athiest means no god, anti god means have a go at god. hence athiests dont bother with god

'that source and origin will be the 'creator' WHY???? The source might have been an explosion which happened all by itself without a huge bearded bloke lighting a giant match.

so the explosion is the creator. although what exploded and who put those there is a fair question
As I said this wasnt about God. and i have never believed or peddled the bearded bloke theory. Thats just an assumption anti gods make


Don't you see that you are clutching for an answer and any answer will do. You need to understand that things can remain unexplained.

I accept the unexplained, based on what we know though there is a suggestion of a creator. (bearing in mind this isnt a bearded bloke etc)
 

So some of your beliefs are stated by that fact.

as i said I ccant think of 1 thing that doesnt have a creator, can you?

Seriously, I've answered this about 10 times.
Everything.
Nothing has a creator, in the sense that you're suggesting.

pick one and name 1 thing
both your examples need a creator

No they don't and you haven't demonstrated that they do, you've merely claimed it, repeatedly.
The universe doesn't need a creator.


I already have.

anti god anti thiest same thing imo

And you'd be wrong.
Again.

look back through the archives?

You really don't get how this works, do you?
You're the one making the claim, so it's down to you to prove it.
Sound familiar?

or reads them highlights a flaw and then you get semantic/pedantic

You don't read them.
The three-eyed monkey proved that.
 
Will we ever know with 100% certainty which is more painful between getting kicked in the nuts or giving birth?

It's an interesting question since no one can compare the two as no one can experience both.