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[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

This is the thing - I'm not expecting our owners to completely bankroll unreasonable spending for years ala Chelsea and City. But I was expecting them to maybe inject some personal financing into the club to help tie us over as a very short term solution.

Will have to try and find the chart but our owner financing is incredibly low compared to the rest of the league, which is great as we want to run as a sustainable club, but we were desperate in January and failing to qualify for CL would have had far worse financial impact.

reality is that nobody knows what we can do apart from FSG and reality is that, even if they had £100m to spend, they are not likely to advertise it.

match day and associated revenue was decimated last year - it will (hopefully) return this year. Does anyone know what we will earn from the new kit deal vs previous kit deal.

There are way too many variables for us to second guess our budget.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

This is the thing - I'm not expecting our owners to completely bankroll unreasonable spending for years ala Chelsea and City. But I was expecting them to maybe inject some personal financing into the club to help tie us over as a very short term solution.

Will have to try and find the chart but our owner financing is incredibly low compared to the rest of the league, which is great as we want to run as a sustainable club, but we were desperate in January and failing to qualify for CL would have had far worse financial impact.

maybe so but equally perhaps following the rules prevents it. They could underwrite a loan the club takes out however and you have to wonder how they saw it at board room level. in the end however a lack of cbs cost us little a lack of goals cost us massively. once our forwards cored a few we zoomed right back up. the run we were on wasn't too bad defensively but offensively it was a mess. Yes changing so much cost us but when you have the ball in front of goal and shovel it over the bar or wide its not the low block CBs fault.

There's no point comparing a club our size to the doping clubs or to the clubs at the bottom either. Villa must have had a massive injection of cash to get where they are now for example. Everton have had theirs. We are a different league, we have huge fund that we spend on wages.

We are a very valuable and rich club who happen to be run off our own resources just as it would be had the club been owned by fans. imo 40mil spend is about the mark for us. its my rule of thumb anyway.

 

[saintanton]

maybe so but equally perhaps following the rules prevents it. They could underwrite a loan the club takes out however and you have to wonder how they saw it at board room level. in the end however a lack of cbs cost us little a lack of goals cost us massively. once our forwards cored a few we zoomed right back up. the run we were on wasn't too bad defensively but offensively it was a mess. Yes changing so much cost us but when you have the ball in front of goal and shovel it over the bar or wide its not the low block CBs fault.

There's no point comparing a club our size to the doping clubs or to the clubs at the bottom either. Villa must have had a massive injection of cash to get where they are now for example. Everton have had theirs. We are a different league, we have huge fund that we spend on wages.

We are a very valuable and rich club who happen to be run off our own resources just as it would be had the club been owned by fans. imo 40mil spend is about the mark for us. its my rule of thumb anyway.

I have absolutely no idea what our budget is, and I don't think anyone else has either - it's just speculation based on previous performance.
Tbh, I don't really know what some fans expect. As far as I can see there are only two ways to succeed - either you are a stable, self-sustaining business or a billionaire's plaything. If there's some sort of hybrid solution I'd like to hear it.
FSG have made some bad rookie errors and one near-catastrophic one. They were roundly criticised for the ESL debacle, and rightly so - but imo no matter who the owners were the same decisions would have been made.
In Klopp they have the perfect partner - a man who likes to build a team and is confident he can get the best out his players rather than one who just buys the recommended choices off Amazon (yeah, I'm looking at you, Man U).
While we have him I think we can compete with the rich(er) kids, when he leaves I'm not so sure.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

So whats our sell list going to finish up like?

Grujic 10.5
Grabara 3
Millar 1
Wilson 12
wijanludm free
awoniyi 6.5mil
= 33mil

Shaqiri on the list at 13mil?
Origi? No head any mention thus far another 10?
minamino? no word there either another 10?
Ojo? 4-5mil?
woodburn? Ive not heard anthing here.
Karius? nominal fee surely possible unless he insists on going on a free. surely gets his loan anyway

another 40mil to take in?

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I have absolutely no idea what our budget is, and I don't think anyone else has either - it's just speculation based on previous performance.
Tbh, I don't really know what some fans expect. As far as I can see there are only two ways to succeed - either you are a stable, self-sustaining business or a billionaire's plaything. If there's some sort of hybrid solution I'd like to hear it.
FSG have made some bad rookie errors and one near-catastrophic one. They were roundly criticised for the ESL debacle, and rightly so - but imo no matter who the owners were the same decisions would have been made.
In Klopp they have the perfect partner - a man who likes to build a team and is confident he can get the best out his players rather than one who just buys the recommended choices off Amazon (yeah, I'm looking at you, Man U).
While we have him I think we can compete with the rich(er) kids, when he leaves I'm not so sure.

Thats fair, it is speculation, just opinion as I've said.

I agree on owners and how lucky they are to have klopp. I think I've stated in the past all bets are off once he goes.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

I have absolutely no idea what our budget is, and I don't think anyone else has either - it's just speculation based on previous performance.
Tbh, I don't really know what some fans expect. As far as I can see there are only two ways to succeed - either you are a stable, self-sustaining business or a billionaire's plaything. If there's some sort of hybrid solution I'd like to hear it.
FSG have made some bad rookie errors and one near-catastrophic one. They were roundly criticised for the ESL debacle, and rightly so - but imo no matter who the owners were the same decisions would have been made.
In Klopp they have the perfect partner - a man who likes to build a team and is confident he can get the best out his players rather than one who just buys the recommended choices off Amazon (yeah, I'm looking at you, Man U).
While we have him I think we can compete with the rich(er) kids, when he leaves I'm not so sure.

I think your last sentence is the million dollar question. Is Klopp overachieving under the current structure? I think he is and that's why I'm worried for when he leaves.

 

[saintanton]

I think your last sentence is the million dollar question. Is Klopp overachieving under the current structure? I think he is and that's why I'm worried for when he leaves.

Just have to hope the owners learn that he is the type they need and find someone similar. It also depends on who he leaves behind, and whether they can continue his legacy.
His type seems rare in modern football, though. I said many years ago when Mourinho was riding the wave of his success that I'd like to see what he could do with a more restrained budget and/or a lesser set of players. I think the same question could be asked of many of the top managers.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

Just have to hope the owners learn that he is the type they need and find someone similar. It also depends on who he leaves behind, and whether they can continue his legacy.
His type seems rare in modern football, though. I said many years ago when Mourinho was riding the wave of his success that I'd like to see what he could do with a more restrained budget and/or a lesser set of players. I think the same question could be asked of many of the top managers.

True but would it be nice where our manager doesn't have to be constrained? If anyone deserves a bit of splurge, it's Klopp. As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying I want us to go on a City / United / Chelsea like spree. But once in a while, being able to afford a top player and that Klopp wants would be nice.

 

[saintanton]

True but would it be nice where our manager doesn't have to be constrained? If anyone deserves a bit of splurge, it's Klopp. As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying I want us to go on a City / United / Chelsea like spree. But once in a while, being able to afford a top player and that Klopp wants would be nice.

Yeah, but that's not happening so we have to look at the best plausible solution.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Klopp is as rare as hen's teeth lads. You can get yourself a rafa (strong technical type) but to find the charisma and aura that klopp has happens only once or twice a generation. (IMO)

theres not one single other manager on the planet with his charisma. there are plenty of technical coaches, there are men like conte who will fall out with a goal post, there are men like gaurdiola who desperately push an intellectual profile but there are very very few like klopp.

Perhaps it is something that been bred out of the game when you look back at the 1960s and legendary managers of the time. Even mounho who desperately wanted to portray this image eventually just got so whiny and bitchy that he's soured his reputation.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

True but would it be nice where our manager doesn't have to be constrained? If anyone deserves a bit of splurge, it's Klopp. As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying I want us to go on a City / United / Chelsea like spree. But once in a while, being able to afford a top player and that Klopp wants would be nice.

Jimmy, its not 2008 where a 20mil budget sounds a bit mean but doable. Any half decent player is 100mil according to many. certainly north of 70mil.

The selling clubs are awash with money largely. Villa are basically looking at city and thinking we are richer than everyone bar you and cheslea, the price is 100mil + for grealish end of.

We have to play smart and most clubs have to. I'd rather play smart than play like arsenal. (best youths going but deal after deal in the market is poor)

What I have to say however is while i don't want to be dortmund (as i feel their team shows the lack of real leaders) I would rather we acted a bit more like dortmund and buy the talent not the gambles. minamio is a waste of a foreign slot, a waste of 7.5mil and in general seems a nice lad but haaland was bought for only 20mil in the same window form the same club.

Once in a blue moon a shaqiri or minamino might score the odd goal but surely snatching the premier talent is better than snatching up the cheap option.

Lfc have grabbed a few youths and that and we might even get a player or two out of it but we have so far failed to really get a top emerging talent in. Our best buys are actually proven senior players ready to "step up", salah, mane, firmino, fabinho, alsisson, vvd. all 24 or above, all proven at a certain level and have done really well.

You have to ask where's the haaland type buy?

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

True but would it be nice where our manager doesn't have to be constrained? If anyone deserves a bit of splurge, it's Klopp. As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying I want us to go on a City / United / Chelsea like spree. But once in a while, being able to afford a top player and that Klopp wants would be nice.

Lets be fair to fsg though, they’ve backed klopp on the big spending when he’s wanted it.

No one ever thought we’d spend 60m on Allison and 75m on vvd before they arrived. But fsg put their money down and backed him.

can’t say for sure but it does seem that klopp isn’t banging on the door demanding for money 24/7. Yes I’m sure he’d love to have a guaranteed 80m to spend every summer plus sales but he’s not the type to throw toys out if not given it.

he wanted Jota and Thiago, he got them last summer. He wanted konate, he got him.

We don’t know what klopp was saying in January but he’s said hundreds of times he doesn’t buy short term and being successful isn’t just buying the new players all the time. You need and can develop them from within.

Whose to say Fsg would be happy to give us more money if klopp wanted but he hasn’t demanded it because he’s happy with what he has and only wants 1 or 2 pieces each window.

All speculation as we don’t know what goes on but we can’t forget that fsg have given klopp money when asked.

alisson
vvd
fabinho
konate
salah
mane
jota
thiago
Gini

all come in for 25m plus.

 

[Sucky]

Lets be fair to fsg though, they’ve backed klopp on the big spending when he’s wanted it.

No one ever thought we’d spend 60m on Allison and 75m on vvd before they arrived. But fsg put their money down and backed him.

can’t say for sure but it does seem that klopp isn’t banging on the door demanding for money 24/7. Yes I’m sure he’d love to have a guaranteed 80m to spend every summer plus sales but he’s not the type to throw toys out if not given it.

he wanted Jota and Thiago, he got them last summer. He wanted konate, he got him.

We don’t know what klopp was saying in January but he’s said hundreds of times he doesn’t buy short term and being successful isn’t just buying the new players all the time. You need and can develop them from within.

Whose to say Fsg would be happy to give us more money if klopp wanted but he hasn’t demanded it because he’s happy with what he has and only wants 1 or 2 pieces each window.

All speculation as we don’t know what goes on but we can’t forget that fsg have given klopp money when asked.

alisson
vvd
fabinho
konate
salah
mane
jota
thiago
Gini

all come in for 25m plus.

Naby Anderton too dont forgot

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Naby Anderton too dont forgot

Forgot he existed
Add ox to that list for £35m as well.

let’s not kid ourselves that we’re buying bargain bucket and klopps having to deal with £10m signings

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I hear people saying that the owners are lucky that they have Klopp almost as if they stumbled upon him but didn't they choose him precisely because his way of working suits them. He likes to develop talent not buy it ready made so he was never going to be asking the owners for huge backing, just backing.

Imo they got the appointment right; they got exactly what they paid for and expected. It wasn't luck, it was good fortune. Luck infers chance, fortune adds a level of control to the randomness of chance.

 

[Sucky]

Forgot he existed
Add ox to that list for £35m as well.

let’s not kid ourselves that we’re buying bargain bucket and klopps having to deal with £10m signings

Both are easy to forget about

Although at least ox when hes played usually makes an impact.

I think i remember one game from naby where he bossed it. Scored 2 i think but cant be sure it was that long ago hes basically been aquilani

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Both are easy to forget about

Although at least ox when hes played usually makes an impact.

I think i remember one game from naby where he bossed it. Scored 2 i think but cant be sure it was that long ago

Yeh but he's brilliant in preseasons

 

[Sucky]

Yeh but he's brilliant in preseasons

Ive been done with him from before this time last year.

I dont even class him as a member of the squad personally.
Cba even moaning about his lack of football anymore its so consistent its boring now lol

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Both are easy to forget about

Although at least ox when hes played usually makes an impact.

I think i remember one game from naby where he bossed it. Scored 2 i think but cant be sure it was that long ago hes basically been aquilani

I remember his debut v West Ham. He looked quality. Breaking forward from midfield, linking play. Then **** knows. He plays once every 5 or 6 games, and in those 6 games he’ll have 1 performance that makes you think we have a player here… then he disappears for another month or two

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I hear people saying that the owners are lucky that they have Klopp almost as if they stumbled upon him but didn't they choose him precisely because his way of working suits them. He likes to develop talent not buy it ready made so he was never going to be asking the owners for huge backing, just backing.

Imo they got the appointment right; they got exactly what they paid for and expected. It wasn't luck, it was good fortune. Luck infers chance, fortune adds a level of control to the randomness of chance.

I'm not even sure it was that.

They appointed rodgers (be it too soon or whatever you like) they didn't have full faith in him nor did the people in power like ayre. too many people stuck their beak into decisions on players and in the end rodgers was too weak at that point to put his stamp of authority on it.

FSG may have learned form it. If we are kind we would say that the deck of voices was cleared and the hands are off. Edwards is the director, klopp is the final say, the scouts are scouts. Gordan doesn't stick his oar in like ayre did.

will they go differently in the future? who knows.

what we do however know is in that summer they knew klopp was leaving dortmund for months and months. We also know that after the disastrous season they told rodgers to sack his back room staff and hired some new ones (sort of)

It is was a very odd to virtually unique occurrence that I've never seen on football before. I've seen back room teams kept and managers go but never the opposite after a team came in together.

who is to say this was not done to grease the wheels for klopp to arrive having agreed a deal in the background (for example klopp might have wanted a year off and our idea was to keep Rodgers one more year then get klopp but then it all got accelerated?

If we were thinking ahead and working when is it fortune, more that we won the bid for klopp and made it happen in whatever means we could?