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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. pompeymeowth

    pompeymeowth Prepare for trouble x
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    Genuine question…..I heard that the graffiti on Rashfords mural was being investigated as ‘Racist’ and a ‘hate crime’…..but I’d also read that there was nothing mentioned in the graffiti with regard to his race, just the words ‘****e bastard’ and ‘**** Sancho’.

    Is it now that any abuse, however vile it can be (which in my opinion it is and totally unjustified) against black players is now gonna be seen as racist ?
    It’s a bit of a slippery slope…….
     
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  3. pompeymeowth

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    I guess it wouldn't be. Just abuse.

    What a brilliant way to cover it up though. It shows how the good still outweighs the bad.
     
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    Absolutely……the lad is obviously a good ‘un and has a nice social attitude about him. Shame some stupid ****s need to abuse him over something that he himself would have been distraught over.
     
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    Not that it effects me anymore but she really is one horrible Tory.
     
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  6. kiwiqpr

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    Can you not like the taking the knee thing and be anti racist
    Or is that not allowed
     
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    Im one of those…..I find the whole thing very divisive….it’s almost as if that’s what was intended in the first place.
    Divide and conquer?
     
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    Doesnt bother me in the slightest about taking the knee. Nor would it bother me if they decided not to. I have no issues relating to it either way.
     
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  9. kiwiqpr

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    Some animals are more equal than others.

    Masks Optional For MPs But Compulsory For Parliament Staff From July 19
    Exclusive: 'Literally one rule for them..' staffer complains.


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    JUSTIN TALLIS VIA GETTY IMAGES
    Mask-wearing is to be optional for MPs but compulsory for parliamentary staff working in Westminster, new guidance has revealed.

    New guidance emailed to MPs states that staff would be “required” to use face coverings until parliament heads for its summer break next week.

    But the memo from Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle, which has been leaked to HuffPost UK, states that MPs will only be “encouraged” to wear masks after the government lifts all Covid restrictions on July 19.

    The email includes a range of measures to be adopted by parliament for the four days that parliament sits after so-called “Freedom Day” next Monday.

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    A section titled “Outside the Chamber” states: “Until 22 July, Members will be encouraged to continue wearing face coverings, and all others on the estate will be required to wear them while moving around the estate or entering venues.

    “It will also mean that until the rise of the House the overall capacity of the estate will remain limited.”

    One staff member working in the palace said: “It’s literally one rule for them...”

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    COMMONS
    Commons covid rules
    The general public will no longer be legally required to wear face coverings from July 19, although new guidance issued by the government advises that they should continue to be worn in crowded enclosed spaces.



    But individual workplaces and individual transport bodies will be left to make their own decision to adopt face-masks as a requirement of entry or for staff.

    The advice for inside the Commons chamber makes clear that from next Monday MPs will be able to sit normally once more, although they will be encouraged to wear masks when not speaking.

    “Wearing face coverings will be encouraged for all those in the Chamber, although not mandatory,” it states.

    “Ticks and crosses on benches will be removed – and prayer cards will be back in use...Barriers at the end of the aisles will be removed.”

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    The hybrid model of working, using remote video links as well as in-chamber speeches, will continue. Proxy voting will remain in place too.

    “Perspex screens and stickers on the floors will remain until they can be removed over recess.”

    A spokesperson for Speaker Hoyle told HuffPost UK: “We have no employment or contractual relationship with Members which would enable us to mandate the wearing of masks. We therefore encourage Members to support us in keeping the Estate safe.”

    Garry Graham, deputy general secretary of Prospect, one of the trade unions that represents staff in parliament, hit out at the guidance.

    “We urge the Commission to rethink this decision, and at the very least act to protect staff by issuing strict guidance that MPs must wear masks in the chamber and around the estate, both for safety and to set an example to the public about how to behave in crowded indoor spaces.

    “It is frankly ridiculous that staff will be required to wear masks around the estate but the very MPs and government ministers who set the rules will not.”

    He added it was “extraordinary” that the House of Commons Commission had decided to allow up to 650 MPs to crowd into the House of Commons from next Monday.

    “With just a few days until the summer recess, there is absolutely no reason why this move could not have been delayed for a few months when the health situation would hopefully have improved and everyone would have had the opportunity to receive both doses of the vaccine.

    “MPs may choose not to put themselves at risk in a full chamber, but staff are required to be there and their safety appears to be an afterthought once again.”

    The letter from the Speaker, which says that the House of Commons Commission met on Monday and agreed the new rules, also says staff who work remotely will be encouraged to keep doing so until September when MPs return from their summer break.
     
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  10. kiwiqpr

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    get over yourself pompey
    it was a tounge in cheek response to a post from someone else
    did i forget to put the smillie face on it

    i cant possibly agree with everything i post on here
     
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    what should gypsy moths be renamed as
    fly tipping pests maybe
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    She really is, even some of her own party are turning against her.

    Strange for the daughter of a UKIP candidate.
     
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    Who would you suggest was trying to conquer whom?

    Surely it was the government trying to divide and conquer by condoning the booing of the team.
     
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    Who is to say who and why BLM was set up Strolls......some say it could be a government plot to destabilise the communities. Of course we are getting into conspiracy theory territory here but I will say one thing, the far right have been rubbing their hands since this all started and have never gained as much interest since the 70’s....the right (and left) are riddled with government agents, informers and agitators.......
    Someone, somewhere is sleeping better knowing the working class are destroying themselves from within, through racial issues........
     
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    Oh right, back to BLM. The England players aren't Marxists and they don't advocate defunding the police (whatever that means). They weren't supporting BLM, they were taking stand against racism. They made this very clear. Those that booed the gesture were racist, in my opinion. Those that condoned the booing were, too.

    Sadly, much of the white working class are fundamentally racist if you ask me. The right exploited this via Brexit and saw this as another opportunity. Thankfully, it seems to have backfired this time.
     
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    So you say taking the knee isn’t linked to BLM ? Sorry but I’d respectfully disagree with you on that one.

    and again I’d respectfully disagree with your statement that ‘white working class are fundamentally racist’.
    But of course, the working class is as much a Pakistani taxi driver or an Afro Caribbean delivery driver…it’s a shame you seem to equate ‘working class’ as being ‘white’
     
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    Taking the knee goes at least as far back as Martin Luther King, some say much further. The gesture doesn't belong exclusively to BLM.

    I don't equate 'working class' with being white at all. I deliberately used the term 'white working class' to identify that one element of the wider working class. It was this element that was exploited by Farage and the far right in the Brexit campaign and which the Tories (which really now comprise the far right) need to continue to appeal to to retain the seats they won in the former 'Red Wall'. The Tories are now the party of the racist.*

    * Disclaimer for the hard of thinking (not you Stainesy): In saying this, I am not suggesting that every Tory is a racist, nor does the fact that I believe that racism won the Brexit vote mean that everyone that voted Leave is a racist.
     
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    Fair enough Strolls…..we’ll just go round in circles with the ‘it is/it isn’t’ thing……but if we take your point to an extreme…the open palmed salute goes back far further than the Nazi party but will forever be associated with it

    I get the gist of your second part, however don’t agree totally….I think the present day Tories, as repugnant and self centred as they are, haven’t and didn’t stoop to the level of Thatcher in the late 70’s/early 80’s where she quite openly wooed the voters and supporters of the National Front, both openly through immigration policies and rhetoric and more under hand through groups like the Monday Club.

    The ‘red wall’ was lost by Labour and its obsession with identity politics that have no meaning or consequence to working people….until they can reconnect to its roots then all is lost for them….thus others will hopefully step in, in its place
     
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    The current Tories don't need to woo supporters of far right parties any more, they've absorbed them and become the far right.
     
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    Dunno if I’d genuinely call the Tory Party ‘far right’ Strolls……I think a lot of the far right have seen that their views and policies are unelectable and moved further underground.
    Just my opinion of course
     
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