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  1. Draig

    Draig Well-Known Member

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    :emoticon-0102-bigsm how can I possibly have missed that earth-shattering news?
     
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    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    I went to check the stats out and wow this is shocking

     
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    I don't blame blacks, it's pc white liberal ****ers who start most of the shìt imo.

    But what a snowflake society we live in now.
    It's a blame culture for personal wrong doing.
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what means tbh mate.
     
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  5. Nig

    Nig Well-Known Member

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    Most of this culture was kicked off by white liberal apologists.
    There are obviously people in all walks of life who will take advantage of situations.
    I imagine most blacks just want to be treated as equal, not get special treatment.
    An ex marine I work with was saying the other day, ex service men and so on get 1 day a year yet the LGBT lot get a fooking month ffs :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Still no excuse for going around killing each other imo.

    The 'culture' seems to have been directly copied from America ...

    ... everything from the language and music to the clothes and idiotic gangs.
     
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  7. The Norton Cat

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    It was academics at Cambridge (and UCL) rather than the students so this isn't perhaps quite as reactionary as it first appears.
    Having studied both human evolution and 19th and 20th century racial classification systems, including the work of H F K Gunther which the Nazis based a lot of their appalling ideas on, I would agree that the term Caucasian is problematic. Partly because its inaccurate, partly because people use it incorrectly (it doesn't just relate to Europeans), but mainly because our understanding of human development has improved enormously since the term was first used.
     
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    Thanks for the informed insight. Shows again what a difference there can be between the actual and what the media conveys.
     
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  9. The Norton Cat

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    The press do tend to make a bigger deal out of things than they really are, don't they? I don't know why they do it because it doesn't make life any better for anyone.

    I think human evolution is fascinating but I also often think that some of it is going to upset people. Especially in this current climate where people seem so quick to be offended by stuff. So, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some element of wanting to use terms, across the board, that are less associated with those old fashioned (and definitely racist) ideas.
     
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  10. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United
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    I worked in Croydon for 7 years and it's not a bad place, but not particularly attractive. Very mixed population and everyone gets on pretty well.

    This is largely an issue within the young, black, male community. Very tribal with gang affiliation among some, and that spills over to the others. You're bang on about these "community leaders" though. Stop pontificating in the media and get with these kids to show them the effects of knife crime on families and friends.

    Always playing the victim card, some people, which is simply a way of ducking any form of responsibility.
     
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  11. The Redbaron

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    This is a "Me Too" moment.....I totally agree.

    She is not the only one, Me and our lass too
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Whichever terms are used someone will be offended tbh, continually analysing everything will make matters worse imo. If I chose I could be offended at people calling me a Brit, a Geordie or an Exile but as long as those people aren't being deliberately offensive they can call me anything they like. Continually correcting people isn't being tolerant, it's often being unnecessarily pedantic and obtuse.

    I've been quite abruptly pulled up for mistaking Canadians for Yanks and NZs for Aussies.

    Well sorry folks, I can't be expected to instantly recognise every dialect from the other side of the world.
     
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    Stating that you are fed up with something being rammed down your neck is the right of a citizen to voice their opinion, the same as it would be to moan about the amount of reality T.V. shows or the North-South Divide.

    Just because what your missus is complaining about is regarding a certain 'movement', it doesn't make her a racist, although the do-gooders and wooly hat brigade might argue otherwise.

    I was a member of the Anti-Nazi League when I was younger, so I despise racism, but I too am sick of programmes ramming BLM and LGBT down your neck in the name of Political Correctness.

    The best way to deal with racism is not to focus on the campaigners, but shame the perpetrators, whilst actively encouraging all sides of the community to come together. The best people to do this, as you previously mentioned, are community elders and religious leaders from all faiths.
     
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    I would agree with the part in bold. However, scientific terms should be altered when they are scientifically incorrect. Some terms that are used in studies of human evolution/classification originated in theories that were not only inaccurate but inherently and deliberately racist.
     
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  15. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you entirely.

    You do have to be careful not to complicate something that 'needs clarifying' though.

    I'm absolutely lost at what to call anyone with any kind of physical 'issue' these days. I had a really irate woman, in a shop, rail into me because I'd called her daughter 'disabled'. The poor lass was in a wheelchair with one of those metal head clamps ffs ...

    ... whether the term is correct or not it's obvious she's disabled or handicapped in the true sense of the word.
     
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    Reading this makes my very sympathetic towards The Police.

    IF, we imaging that any particular group is responsible for a particular type of crime, what are OUR Police supposed to do about it?

    IF they concentrate their scarce resourses on these groups, in an effort to reduce the crime, this is Social or Racial Profiling.
    The PC Brigade are leading protests.
    The population in general asks 'what are the Police doing about it'?

    And as ever I have no idea what the answer might be.
    Throwing people into Prison doesn't seem to work. Just look at The USofA!!
    AND our Prisons are already overcrowded.
     
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    IF, we imaging that any particular group is responsible for a particular type of crime, what are OUR Police supposed to do about it?

    IF they concentrate their scarce resourses on these groups, in an effort to reduce the crime, this is Social or Racial Profiling.
    The PC Brigade are leading protests.
    The population in general asks 'what are the Police doing about it'?

    And as ever I have no idea what the answer might be.
    Throwing people into Prison doesn't seem to work. Just look at The USofA!!
    AND our Prisons are already overcrowded.[/QUOTE]
    The simple answer is build more prisons that way they will learn or eventually they will all be in there anyway, so it’s win win either way.
     
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    The simple answer is build more prisons that way they will learn or eventually they will all be in there anyway, so it’s win win either way.[/QUOTE]

    A friend of mine, a retired probation officer.

    Once said, the idea that prison does not work ie as a deterrent is only part of the story
    Those that committ crime are often repeat offenders and have been to prison before, so yes going to prison hasn't changed their behaviour. However it is only a small minority who are repeat offenders, so catching them and locking them up for longer does reduce the amount of crimes they can perpetrate. Thereby reducing the total amount of crime.

    In that way prison does work.
     
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  19. Brainman

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    We’re a tribal species. There will always be power struggles between rival gangs. Back in the fifties there were teddy boys with flick knives and bicycle chains. Then the mods and rockers battered the crap out of each other. The seventies had football hooligans with pre-arranged battlegrounds. Since then drug wars have provided the most vicious battles. It’s where we are now.
    BLM was a necessary movement. For the knuckle draggers, it means black lives should matter just as much as white lives. Not more. Not less.
    I take some hope from what’s on tv now. When I was a lad, Thandiwe Newton, Sandra Oh, Adrian Lester, Idris Elba would have played menial roles or baddies. They are now not just coloured actors, they are real character actors with starring roles. Role models. It’s a small step but in the right direction.
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Murders in London this year, for young people, will break all records.

    BLM doesn't seem to be working tbh.

    Teddy Boys were probably responsive for fewer deaths, in a decade, than black gangs in a week.

    I take your point but this is escalating out of control.
     
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