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Government announce booster shots for over 70s in September.

Will be rolled to all before very long.

As I said way back the az is nearly useless due to variants and they are only on their beta variant trials now. The delta plus has a combination of mutations so az are not effective against it. (Sa variant type mutation or similar is added to delta variant to make delta plus.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Government announce booster shots for over 70s in September.

Will be rolled to all before very long.

As I said way back the az is nearly useless due to variants and they are only on their beta variant trials now. The delta plus has a combination of mutations so az are not effective against it. (Sa variant type mutation or similar is added to delta variant to make delta plus.
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Solid_Air 2 said:
If AZ is totally useless against the delta version why are only 1700 covid patients in hospital ?
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So if you've seen that number you've also seen the rising case numbers that have been going up.

You'll also note that they are up from 2000 odd daily to 17,000 daily compared to a peak of 60,000 per day in winter.

So in the last 4 weeks we have seen the start of the wave where delta has taken over but we also know that theres always a time period between detection and hospital rate increases.

This stuff is more contagious and has greatly diminished the effectiveness

Finally theres 32million fully vaccinated not the full population so theres still plenty to get really sick out there.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
So if you've seen that number you've also seen the rising case numbers that have been going up.

You'll also note that they are up from 2000 odd daily to 17,000 daily compared to a peak of 60,000 per day in winter.

So in the last 4 weeks we have seen the start of the wave where delta has taken over but we also know that theres always a time period between detection and hospital rate increases.

This stuff is more contagious and has greatly diminished the effectiveness

Finally theres 32million fully vaccinated not the full population so theres still plenty to get really sick out there.
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The Jab doesn’t really stop you getting it though. So in that aspect the cases will start to rise and that’s not an issue. It’s the hospital and deaths that the jab is meant to stop so if that is happening then doesn’t matter if the whole country get it
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
So if you've seen that number you've also seen the rising case numbers that have been going up.

You'll also note that they are up from 2000 odd daily to 17,000 daily compared to a peak of 60,000 per day in winter.

So in the last 4 weeks we have seen the start of the wave where delta has taken over but we also know that theres always a time period between detection and hospital rate increases.

This stuff is more contagious and has greatly diminished the effectiveness

Finally theres 32million fully vaccinated not the full population so theres still plenty to get really sick out there.
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yes i have sen the rising case numbers and that is my point that rise is not reflected particularly in hospital occupancy as those who get sick are in the main not suffering serious illness which suggests AZ is doing its primary function of protecting against serious illness and death .
The vaccine does not stop you catching covid though it does reduce the numbers.
 
Again delta plus lads, delta plus.

But go ahead and don't bother with the boosters, in fact ring up the new minister and tell him not to bother;)
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Again delta plus lads, delta plus.

But go ahead and don't bother with the boosters, in fact ring up the new minister and tell him not to bother;)
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There will always be a plus, even Delta plus will have a plus.

The fact is the vaccines seem to be stopping serious illness (even the Delta strains) so we should get back to normal and forget the ****e.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Again delta plus lads, delta plus.

But go ahead and don't bother with the boosters, in fact ring up the new minister and tell him not to bother;)
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Itll keep mutating. The flu mutates every year. That’s why the flu jab only has about a 60% hit rate, far lower than this covid jab. Over time people will build up their immune systems to fight these things off better and like the flu, some may unfortunately die from it even with jabs, but many many more won’t. The vaccines will develop over time to offer more protection against the variations.

this thing is around forever now like most infections and we just have to live with it. Saying we’re gonna have to have a 3rd booster shot is hardly a surprise, anyone that thought 2 jabs and that’s it protected for life has been living under a rock.
 
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InBiscanWeTrust said:
Itll keep mutating. The flu mutates every year. That’s why the flu jab only has about a 60% hit rate, far lower than this covid jab. Over time people will build up their immune systems to fight these things off better and like the flu, some may unfortunately die from it even with jabs, but many many more won’t. The vaccines will develop over time to offer more protection against the variations.

this thing is around forever now like most infections and we just have to live with it. Saying we’re gonna have to have a 3rd booster shot is hardly a surprise, anyone that thought 2 jabs and that’s it protected for life has been living under a rock.
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Given I was told I was mad suggesting boosters last winter I'm glad you've confirmed rock dwellers.

However I will say this, the view that this is now here and like other flus is just plain dangerous. It's not nor never will be like other flus as it's far far more virulent.

People really ought to be equating it to mumps or rubella which are also spread via respiratory droplets. Nobody wants either, we vaccinate kids and give boosters.

Nobody should just live with covid as its trick is to spread before symptoms emerge which is different to other flu viruses.

The reality is if we want to "live with it" we better build up the nhs to double its size.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Given I was told I was mad suggesting boosters last winter I'm glad you've confirmed rock dwellers.

However I will say this, the view that this is now here and like other flus is just plain dangerous. It's not nor never will be like other flus as it's far far more virulent.

People really ought to be equating it to mumps or rubella which are also spread via respiratory droplets. Nobody wants either, we vaccinate kids and give boosters.

Nobody should just live with covid as its trick is to spread before symptoms emerge which is different to other flu viruses.

The reality is if we want to "live with it" we better build up the nhs to double its size.
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Don’t know who suggested you were mad but I think was pretty obvious end of last year that this was going to be something that wasn’t just going to disappear.

covid to 99.9% of people isn’t dangerous. Half of people that get it don’t even realise they have it so I don’t think suggesting people live with it is dangerous at all.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
Don’t know who suggested you were mad but I think was pretty obvious end of last year that this was going to be something that wasn’t just going to disappear.

covid to 99.9% of people isn’t dangerous. Half of people that get it don’t even realise they have it so I don’t think suggesting people live with it is dangerous at all.
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thats untrue. the statistics clearly show why its dangerous and why we locked down.

you've just described the absolute nightmare it is.

half those with it don't even realise it and go infect lots of people then shrug cos they are fine.

the consequences of "live with it" needs to be fully understood before saying it.

the worst flus in the uk killed a lot of people. those are unexpected like the first year of covid and killed less than half what covids managed.


As we "live" with flu we in effect see 7,000 people on average die each year from the various flu strains. thats living with something cos people don't bother getting flu jabs. I have read people willing to see 17,000 flu covid combined as the "live with it" target.

So i think let that sink in a while before saying just live with it. 10,000 people. when its your family who has a death cos you didn't realise then it is a bit different.


anyway, what I find more depressing is the attitude in Australia where they've been having a great old time, totally ignored getting any vaccines and the minute "winter" hits they are in lock down with cases flying. Its the same thinking all over. Sun shining, lets all party.

Look at the scots, massive spikes in infections due to their antics travelling round for thier 0-0. 10,000 of them in london with no tickets partying.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
thats untrue. the statistics clearly show why its dangerous and why we locked down.

you've just described the absolute nightmare it is.

half those with it don't even realise it and go infect lots of people then shrug cos they are fine.

the consequences of "live with it" needs to be fully understood before saying it.

the worst flus in the uk killed a lot of people. those are unexpected like the first year of covid and killed less than half what covids managed.


As we "live" with flu we in effect see 7,000 people on average die each year from the various flu strains. thats living with something cos people don't bother getting flu jabs. I have read people willing to see 17,000 flu covid combined as the "live with it" target.

So i think let that sink in a while before saying just live with it. 10,000 people. when its your family who has a death cos you didn't realise then it is a bit different.


anyway, what I find more depressing is the attitude in Australia where they've been having a great old time, totally ignored getting any vaccines and the minute "winter" hits they are in lock down with cases flying. Its the same thinking all over. Sun shining, lets all party.

Look at the scots, massive spikes in infections due to their antics travelling round for thier 0-0. 10,000 of them in london with no tickets partying.
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If people don’t get flu jab and then die of flu… sorry that’s their problem. Sounds harsh but no sympathy.

And ok 99.9% may be slight exaggeration, survival rate is around 99.4%. I’d say that’s pretty good. Yes it’s dangerous and obv more dangerous to certain type of people but vast majority of people will get it and be fine.

People will die. It’s nature. More people die from car crashes but we don’t ban driving. We take risks every day to live life. Sure if you want to ensure 100% survival make it illegal to leave your house and no one should catch it, but what kind of life is that?

You keep going on about spike in infections but those don’t matter. Those numbers mean nothing. We don’t get a number every day of how many people have got a cold. How many people have got the flu etc. However if a huge number of people are dying from these on a daily basis or they’re going hospital and overwhelming the nhs then it’s an issue, until then, 10,000 people getting a bit warm and feeling little bit rough means nothing.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
If people don’t get flu jab and then die of flu… sorry that’s their problem. Sounds harsh but no sympathy.

And ok 99.9% may be slight exaggeration, survival rate is around 99.4%. I’d say that’s pretty good. Yes it’s dangerous and obv more dangerous to certain type of people but vast majority of people will get it and be fine.

People will die. It’s nature. More people die from car crashes but we don’t ban driving. We take risks every day to live life. Sure if you want to ensure 100% survival make it illegal to leave your house and no one should catch it, but what kind of life is that?

You keep going on about spike in infections but those don’t matter. Those numbers mean nothing. We don’t get a number every day of how many people have got a cold. How many people have got the flu etc. However if a huge number of people are dying from these on a daily basis or they’re going hospital and overwhelming the nhs then it’s an issue, until then, 10,000 people getting a bit warm and feeling little bit rough means nothing.
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Its now 99.4%, right now which is a testament to the amount of work and forcing people to do things that are not normal. Its more like 5% mortality with no intervention.

As I said if you are not in the 10,000 to die its easy to shurg but when your parents our half the old farts on here are in that number it doe matter.

finally, of course spikes matter. its a representation of the amount in circulation. Btw there are stats for regular flu, taken every day in hospitals and reported. you don't hear it cos you have to actually go look for it. they exist.

again 10,000 to get a "bit wrm2 is a nasty joke. I said 10,000 extra to DIE not get a mild fever.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Its now 99.4%, right now which is a testament to the amount of work and forcing people to do things that are not normal. Its more like 5% mortality with no intervention.

As I said if you are not in the 10,000 to die its easy to shurg but when your parents our half the old farts on here are in that number it doe matter.

finally, of course spikes matter. its a representation of the amount in circulation. Btw there are stats for regular flu, taken every day in hospitals and reported. you don't hear it cos you have to actually go look for it. they exist.

again 10,000 to get a "bit wrm2 is a nasty joke. I said 10,000 extra to DIE not get a mild fever.
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But your point was that we shouldn’t accept it’s something we just live with. So how do you suggest we go about that? We stay in national lockdowns forever?

Point is this thing isn’t going away. All you can do is try and reduce the numbers dying. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying everyone should just fend for themselves and we pretend nothing ever happened.

But to live with it, much like we live with other illnesses and diseases, we have to treat it best we can. And that’ll mean a booster shot every year like we do for flu. This thing will mutate, and as such the vaccines will have to keep evolving but you’re never going to get rid of it because it’s new on impossible to get rid of a coronavirus, of which the flu is a type of.

We live with cancers, but people still eat meat, smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol. As I say it’s risk of death compared to quality of life. As you get older you are unfortunately more susceptible to these things, as such the risk is higher which is why they will be offered booster shots.

let’s not forget that because we’ve all been locked up for a year, immune systems have had an easy ride this year and as such they expect huge flu numbers because no one got it last year.

It’s like parents trying to avoid their children touching dirt for fear of getting ill, all it means is that when they invariably do get ill, it’s twice as bad as they have no immune response.
 
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