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[ELLERS]

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What poll are you getting your confirmation bias from?

eer a snap poll that was done on the day. Your one was from yesterday 27th. And according to you "public are ****ing idiots’ and “We aren’t a particularly educated nation, politically or otherwise”. you can't have it both ways.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Sorry for my late reply Femi but it was sunny yesterday and I enjoyed a nice day out.

I don’t know where to start with your conceited rant? However I will try and answer a few points. It won’t make a difference tbh because you seem firmly stuck up your own arse.

You say:

“I don’t think almost any normal person had the required knowledge to make an informed decision in hindsight. It’s proven to be an even more complex issue than it was assumed to be before”.

Once again, you seem to think that people are not capable of making an informed choice. I would add if the ‘remain’ campaign had explained things better rather other than saying ‘everyones first born will be blind’ if we leave, then things may have been different. It was a cr2p campaign that used project fear. Blame your antisemite mate Jezza as well. That idiot actually confused voters ffs. So before you blame slogans on buses look a little nearer to home.

You can’t accept a democratic result and you belittle voters.
You’re description of ‘public are ****ing idiots’ and “We aren’t a particularly educated nation, politically or otherwise”. is not only ill-informed but arrogant. You make yourself look a 2222 every time you say crap like that. Recent research has shown that the public are actually more engaged with politics, especially the young.

As for wanting another vote:

We’ve had enough division in this country caused by idiots like you who cannot except the result. when you lose a vote you respect the result, it’s called ‘losers consent’. I did when the odious Blair won and I would have if ‘Remain’ had won.

Now I know you and the Femi ilk of society were told at school that you can’t lose, but that is not how things work in the real world. Acting like spoilt children and wanting another go at it would have only ended in more tears as ‘Leave’ would have won by a bigger margin. Fortunately we do have some decent ‘remainers’ that respected the result.

As for Cameron… if you are going to discuss someone that I know quite a lot about, at least get your immature facts right. Cameron actually thought that holding a referendum was the right thing to do. He believed that the British public should be given a say on the EU as he felt the “institution had changed beyond recognition”. I have just recently read his views on the subject. Remember the ‘non non non’.

When we joined the EEC in 1973 we're the people told then how integrated the EU would become... No. they just had a … yes/no vote. Yet when we want to leave you think a yes/no vote is not good enough (and that the public doesn’t understand because they are all thick uneducated gammons).
Many deals like Maastricht treaty were sneaked in without having a vote. Where was our say then? That wasn’t what they told us before was it?

How the EU have acted since December should prove to most decent people what they are really all about. The Swiss are the latest to see it. Spend 5 minutes of your precious time and read up on it.

I understand you and a few others will not accept the result and will keep trying to run this country down. As I have said before if you don’t like this country and how we run it, then F’off to Europe or China and bore them with your cr2p.

Doubt anyone is going to bother reading this tbh, mate.

 

[ELLERS]

Doubt anyone is going to bother reading this tbh, mate.

Well It shows how stupid you are and how self-important you sound. The fact that you just dismiss it proves that you are just a silly WUM.

 

[Saf]

Sorry for my late reply Femi but it was sunny yesterday and I enjoyed a nice day out.

I don’t know where to start with your conceited rant? However I will try and answer a few points. It won’t make a difference tbh because you seem firmly stuck up your own arse.

You say:

“I don’t think almost any normal person had the required knowledge to make an informed decision in hindsight. It’s proven to be an even more complex issue than it was assumed to be before”.

Once again, you seem to think that people are not capable of making an informed choice. I would add if the ‘remain’ campaign had explained things better rather other than saying ‘everyones first born will be blind’ if we leave, then things may have been different. It was a cr2p campaign that used project fear. Blame your antisemite mate Jezza as well. That idiot actually confused voters ffs. So before you blame slogans on buses look a little nearer to home.

You can’t accept a democratic result and you belittle voters.
You’re description of ‘public are ****ing idiots’ and “We aren’t a particularly educated nation, politically or otherwise”. is not only ill-informed but arrogant. You make yourself look a 2222 every time you say crap like that. Recent research has shown that the public are actually more engaged with politics, especially the young.

As for wanting another vote:

We’ve had enough division in this country caused by idiots like you who cannot except the result. when you lose a vote you respect the result, it’s called ‘losers consent’. I did when the odious Blair won and I would have if ‘Remain’ had won.

Now I know you and the Femi ilk of society were told at school that you can’t lose, but that is not how things work in the real world. Acting like spoilt children and wanting another go at it would have only ended in more tears as ‘Leave’ would have won by a bigger margin. Fortunately we do have some decent ‘remainers’ that respected the result.

As for Cameron… if you are going to discuss someone that I know quite a lot about, at least get your immature facts right. Cameron actually thought that holding a referendum was the right thing to do. He believed that the British public should be given a say on the EU as he felt the “institution had changed beyond recognition”. I have just recently read his views on the subject. Remember the ‘non non non’.

When we joined the EEC in 1973 we're the people told then how integrated the EU would become... No. they just had a … yes/no vote. Yet when we want to leave you think a yes/no vote is not good enough (and that the public doesn’t understand because they are all thick uneducated gammons).
Many deals like Maastricht treaty were sneaked in without having a vote. Where was our say then? That wasn’t what they told us before was it?

How the EU have acted since December should prove to most decent people what they are really all about. The Swiss are the latest to see it. Spend 5 minutes of your precious time and read up on it.

I understand you and a few others will not accept the result and will keep trying to run this country down. As I have said before if you don’t like this country and how we run it, then F’off to Europe or China and bore them with your cr2p.

You must be confused. Windy voted to leave the European Union.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

eer a snap poll that was done on the day. Your one was from yesterday 27th. And according to you "public are ****ing idiots’ and “We aren’t a particularly educated nation, politically or otherwise”. you can't have it both ways.

Your snap poll was from a Twitter account named WESTHAM4BORIS though.

 

[ELLERS]

You must be confused. Windy voted to leave the European Union.

oh yes that right he did didn't he.
Where do we get them from?

 

[ELLERS]

Your snap poll was from a Twitter account named WESTHAM4BORIS though.

Yeah and it made it all the way to the national news.

 

[Steelmonkey]

Get back to supporting the SNP you plastic scot.

Nice one - for a twelve year old. Give the name calling a rest and we may get some decent debate on here instead of you slinging **** in all directions.

 

[ELLERS]

Nice one - for a twelve year old. Give the name calling a rest and we may get some decent debate on here instead of you slinging **** in all directions.

I wouldn't last 2 minutes on site would I?

 

[ELLERS]

Nice one - for a twelve year old. Give the name calling a rest and we may get some decent debate on here instead of you slinging **** in all directions.

yeah sorry SM... but it seems it was okay for 4 posts to mock me but as soon as I retaliate it somehow childish? I'm up for a decent debate and I put out a decent reply to Watford who does his usual and hides in a fridge, rather than answer.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

yeah sorry SM... but it seems it was okay for 4 posts to mock me but as soon as I retaliate it somehow childish? I'm up for a decent debate and I put out a decent reply to Watford who does his usual and hides in a fridge, rather than answer.

I’m not sure how I’m supposed to reply to that essay of absolute bollocks you’ve posted literally dozens of times before but I’ll give it a vague go.

Informed decision-making: as I said, whichever way people ended up voting or if they didn’t vote at all, it’s demonstrably absolute nonsense to suggest any of us plebs were informed on what leaving meant. It’s impossible to define it in such a simplified, binary referendum question which has given successive Tory governments the right to interpret it in the most extreme, unconstructive and frankly childish way possible. That’s not the fault of voters but it’s a ludicrous way to make decisions on their behalf in the public interest.

Respecting the result: You don’t actually know what “respecting the result” means. We all have to live with it as we don’t have a choice. That doesn’t mean people can’t critique the type of leaving the government have chosen to pursue and the social impact both immediately after and in the five years since the vote. It’s also perfectly right to question the outright lies told without consequence to get us where we are and the opportunity cost to the economy of everything that has had to be put in place due to Brexit. You’ve demonstrated amply for five plus years you don’t actually give a **** about democracy so I don’t expect you’ll agree.

The changing nature of the EU, Maastricht etc. was a tiny issue pre-2016. It’s just another thing that gets copy and pasted by noddies who can’t explain how their life was in any way made worse by our membership.

 

[ELLERS]

I’m not sure how I’m supposed to reply to that essay of absolute bollocks you’ve posted literally dozens of times before but I’ll give it a vague go.

Informed decision-making: as I said, whichever way people ended up voting or if they didn’t vote at all, it’s demonstrably absolute nonsense to suggest any of us plebs were informed on what leaving meant. It’s impossible to define it in such a simplified, binary referendum question which has given successive Tory governments the right to interpret it in the most extreme, unconstructive and frankly childish way possible. That’s not the fault of voters but it’s a ludicrous way to make decisions on their behalf in the public interest.

Respecting the result: You don’t actually know what “respecting the result” means. We all have to live with it as we don’t have a choice. That doesn’t mean people can’t critique the type of leaving the government have chosen to pursue and the social impact both immediately after and in the five years since the vote. It’s also perfectly right to question the outright lies told without consequence to get us where we are and the opportunity cost to the economy of everything that has had to be put in place due to Brexit. You’ve demonstrated amply for five plus years you don’t actually give a **** about democracy so I don’t expect you’ll agree.

The changing nature of the EU, Maastricht etc. was a tiny issue pre-2016. It’s just another thing that gets copy and pasted by noddies who can’t explain how their life was in any way made worse by our membership.

Doubt anyone is going to bother reading this tbh, mate.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Doubt anyone is going to bother reading this tbh, mate.

I reckon a few will. One or two might need some help.

 

[ELLERS]

I reckon a few will. One or two might need some help.

You will probably get the usual 'groupies' but sadly according to you “We aren’t a particularly educated nation'.

 

[bobmid]

Back to name calling bob? I doesn't take long for you does it? Anyway I thought you had thrown your toys out of the pram and left again? and again and again. Sorry I have lost count at the amount of times you say that.

Poor little princess xx

 

[bobmid]

Im sure you can take it Ellers. You have given everyone a nikname on here over time. Dont get upset when people do the same.

 

[bobmid]

I think we can all agree that the state of politics in this country is at its lowest for some time. We have a lying PM and health secretary with some nodding ministers and an opposition not worth a piss in a pot. What a shambles.

 

[ELLERS]

I think we can all agree that the state of politics in this country is at its lowest for some time. We have a lying PM and health secretary with some nodding ministers and an opposition not worth a piss in a pot. What a shambles.

Well you said you didn't vote in both the Brexit referendum and election so really you shouldn't start complaining about stuff. get out and vote or shut up.

 

[ELLERS]

Im sure you can take it Ellers. You have given everyone a nikname on here over time. Dont get upset when people do the same.

eer bob it wasn't me getting upset.

 

[bobmid]

Well you said you didn't vote in both the Brexit referendum and election so really you shouldn't start complaining about stuff. get out and vote or shut up.

I can complain about anything i choose to pal. I wasnt here to vote in the locals and totally forgot to postal vote. As for the referendum, there was a choice but far from being an informed choice. I got my head around it the day it all happened. Some, mainly yourself, keep bleating on about it. Bizarre