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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    And that is where I will agree with you and that is worth debating. The T&T is/was a waste of money.
     
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  2. ELLERS

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    If any of those idiots were in power we would have a 250K death toll and no vaccine. No thanks.
    Some mistakes were made at the start because they didn’t know how to deal with the disease but once they got to grips with it we haven’t done too badly. We got 6 deaths yesterday whereas France had 398 and Italy had 301. If it hadn’t been for the government we would be having figures like that.
    You keep going on about deaths and not forgetting them and families don’t but I don’t think they are bothered with decoration/ shares and sister/ Cameron they are more interested in lost loved ones.
     
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    1/ Wow. This is an eye-popping error from Angela Rayner
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    tried to slur Jill for ‘living in a tax haven’

    But... she was in Cayman with her family because her then husband was a REGULATOR, working on counter-fraud, anti-corruption, and anti-terrorist financing

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    Angela Rayner

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    The Tory candidate in Hartlepool has more connections with tax havens than she does with Hartlepool.

    Why do people do business in the Cayman Islands? To avoid paying tax.

    I’ve written to the Chair of the @Conservatives demanding that their candidate publishes her tax returns.


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    I know you don’t normally need a lot of rope but this is spectacular.
     
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    You seem to have a fair bit of interest in it mate.
     
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    Let's hope people don't start bringing up that precious ministerial code thing
     
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    Only completely one-eyed Tory grovellers could still believe that Johnson didn't make the 'bodies pile high' comment. Some of his own colleagues say they are willing to swear on oath that he did.

    Boris Johnson witnesses say they will swear on oath he said he'd 'let the bodies pile high in their thousands' (msn.com)

    Johnson was asked point-blank yesterday if he had said it and said 'No'. I wonder if he'd be willing to swear that on oath.

    And yes Jeff, it does matter, because Johnson's unwillingness to impose the third lockdown and the delays in actually doing so will have resulted in many unnecessary deaths - as did his delaying the first and second lockdowns after saying he'd rather 'let the virus rip'.
     
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    The simple fact that people can believe he may have said it speaks volumes. The fat lying twat needs a permanent lie detector test. What a horrible thing to say, I don't know anybody who thinks those comments aren't disgusting.
     
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    You mean you can’t answer it because you know it’s true. It’s true about the deaths in Europe. It’s true that Labour would have had a nightmare 3 times that of the government. And it’s true that grieving families are really not interested in decorators in Whitehall.
    Just another political opportunity from some who are desperate.
     
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    It wasn’t me that brought it up. Just responding mate.
     
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    Plucking random ridiculous numbers out the air for how many deaths there would have been under a Labour government is the sort of thing I’d expect from a bloke in Spoons who hasn’t washed for three days or at best one of the dopier right wing noddies. It’s embarrassing for you.

    Why are you suddenly interested again in comparisons with other countries? Whether Italy end up with a marginally higher death rate than us or not doesn’t make our government’s performance any better or worse. We’ve left, get over it.

    And I’m sure a grieving family doesn’t care who decorates the ****’s flat but that completely misses the point as you well know.
     
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    well for a start if Labour had won we know that they would have joined that stupid euro vaccination scheme and the AZ vaccine would not have happened. Remember all those Labour MP's having a pop at Boris for not joining the scheme. This government sorted things out and you and your chums hate it. Get over it.
    As for comparisons... you were the one who kept bleating on about 'the worst death toll in Europe'... once again you will be wrong.
    You spend all your time knocking the government because that's you. The vast majority of this country would not agree with your views... especially the anti British ones. Each day you sound more spoilt and can't give any decent answers. You mock those who voted Brexit calling them 'thick uneducated/right wing'. You mock people who don't vote the same as you referring to them as 'Gammon'. Anything British you describe as 'Flag Shaggers' but you are somehow above these people... Actually Watford you are not.
     
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    To be fair mate if you’re going to constantly misquote me it doesn’t do a lot for the stereotype.
     
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    when you have recorded evidence Labour would have done that, until then it’s baseless, but if you do it might be a context issue.

    Johnson can’t be trusted, he lies all the ****ing time and has had no end of corruption and sleaze associated with him, like no other in the U.K. The same happened in the US, thankfully that bullshitting bastard has gone and American politics is about politics... and no longer a soap opera. I’m not sure what people expected with Johnson, he was a known liar with **** all morals.. ****ing some tart on the family sofa and paying her for the privilege.. classy stuff.
     
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    Brexit: Tensions overshadow EU vote on UK trade deal
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    image captionEU Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen oversees trade relations with the UK
    The European Parliament is expected to ratify the post-Brexit EU-UK trade deal - a key move to ensure that tariff-and quota-free trade continues.

    The Trade and Co-operation Agreement (TCA) has been operating provisionally since January. MEPs voted on Tuesday and a result is due on Wednesday.

    Brexit tensions remain, including a French threat of "reprisals" against the UK over new fishing restrictions.

    Northern Ireland trade is also a thorny issue.

    Under a separate protocol, Northern Ireland remains de facto part of the EU's single market, so goods arriving there from Britain have to undergo EU checks. Since Brexit there has been some disruption to that trade.

    The TCA covers EU-UK trade in goods, but not services. The UK economy is dominated by services - sectors such as banking, insurance, advertising and legal advice.


    The TCA has still resulted in more paperwork, extra costs and less trade between the two sides, since the UK left the EU.

    Among the areas not covered by the deal are foreign policy, financial services and student exchanges.

    Cross-Channel tensions
    Before the MEPs' debate started, French Europe Minister Clément Beaune accused the UK of blocking fishing rights. He said the EU could respond with "reprisals" in financial services.

    "The United Kingdom is expecting quite a few authorisations from us for financial services. We won't give any for as long as we don't have guarantees on fishing and other issues," he said on French news channel BFMTV.

    French fishermen have complained of being prevented from operating in British waters because of difficulties in obtaining licences.

    Meanwhile, British seafood exporters have been hit by an EU ban on UK exports of live shellfish. Scottish firms account for most of that business, and some now face collapse.


    The UK made fishing rights a key issue in the negotiations, with control over access to its waters seen as a sign of British sovereignty.

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    Praising the TCA when it was agreed in December, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said "we have taken back control of our laws and our destiny".

    He described it as "a deal which will if anything allow our companies and our exporters to do even more business with our European friends".

    Brexit 'a lose-lose situation'
    In the European Parliament, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, said Brexit was a divorce and a warning of the feelings of the people: "It's a failure of the European Union and we have to learn lessons from it."

    German MEP David McAllister said Brexit "will always be a lose-lose situation", but he called on fellow MEPs to ratify the TCA.

    Two key committees of the European Parliament have already overwhelmingly backed the TCA. But a draft resolution will invite MEPs to declare the UK's exit from the EU an "historic mistake".


    EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the TCA "comes with real teeth, with a binding dispute settlement mechanism". And she warned that the EU would use those teeth if necessary.

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    Bruises left from Brexit talks
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    After nearly four years of difficult negotiations on the UK exit from the EU and the post-Brexit relationship, it's hardly surprising that a few bruises are showing.

    The TCA certainly hasn't solved everything. There are still big questions to resolve on issues like financial services, for example.

    Monitoring and implementing what has been agreed, in a complex network of committees, will also be a constant feature of the new relationship.

    But it will take some time before the long-term effect on trade becomes clear.

    Trade volumes fell sharply in January before rebounding in February. But the UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex says UK exports to the EU were still down by 17.2% in February compared to an average of February 2018 to 2020.

    A significant part is down to Brexit, although Covid is also a factor.

    The most prominent post-Brexit issue so far this year, though, isn't part of the TCA itself. Northern Ireland's trading relationship with the rest of the UK, and with the EU, won't change as a result of this agreement being ratified.

    Both sides say they are working hard to find practical solutions in Northern Ireland, but some checks on trade between NI and Britain will remain in place.

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    media captionIs the point-scoring coming to an end - or have we only seen the first half of this grudge match?
    The European Commission has launched legal action, accusing the UK of breaching the agreement on Northern Ireland trade and breaking international law - charges Downing Street denies.

    The TCA is a 1,400-page deal which was not clinched until 24 December. The Brexit negotiations began in 2017 and the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020. Common rules remained during the UK's transition period until January 2021.

    What else is affected by Brexit?
    Brexit also means:

    • Blanket free movement of citizens between the UK and EU no longer applies. Business travellers do not need a visa for short trips, but artists and performers are not covered - so, for example, British rock bands face bureaucracy for gigs in the EU
    • The rights of the roughly one million UK citizens living in the EU, and of EU citizens in the UK, are protected under the TCA. But the UK citizens face varying deadlines for obtaining residence rights; for the three million EU citizens in the UK the deadline for applications is 30 June
    • Government subsidies are now under intense scrutiny on both sides, as the EU insists on a "level playing field" in trade. Courts will have to decide in cases where subsidies are allegedly unfair. UK financial services, not covered by the TCA, face new EU bureaucracy - so many City banks have beefed up their EU-based operations.
     
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    You and your chums are minnows in the grand scheme of things. You just post anti government stuff all the time. As I said most people won’t be too interested in this.
     
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    Minnows and your a shark right? A shark who fluffs Johnson before he metaphorically ****s your mrs and wipes his cock on the curtains. Then nicks your wallet sells your car and tells you it’s labours and immigrants fault it happened.. and you ask if he’s coming back again next week.
     
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    You sound like a complete ****ing idiot
     
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