Transfer Rumours Transfer Rumours thread

[moreinjuredthanowen]

It would be the height of irony that the most corrupt CEO Karen Brady who's owners are the biggest spies going and robbed the english public of the Olympic stadium are seen as the saviours of football and get to throw insults around but end up seeing one of the 6 sold to even richer owners who pour even more money in to slaughter their club.

Given the fans saved football crap going about it would be flaming typical.

No increased local access, no cheaper match day tickets, no fan say in anything.

Flog it to the middle east where more oil money flows in to dope the club to become another plaything.

Football saved? Sure.

 

[Zanjinho]

I somehow doubt fsg rejected 3 billion bid. I would suspect it's a recycled old link that was denied before.

Btw theres nothing more of a give away than someone adding a "few other bidders" just to pad the thing.

There are not too many with a spare 3 billion down the sofa to move on lfc as an opportunity

My initial thought too. FSG would snap up a £3b offer without hesitation.

 

[jaffaSlot]

Just rumours after the whole super League thing and people wanting owners out

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I'm sure in the past I've seen at least 3 bids denied by fsg. I am sure last year there was a similar story with a similar price that was rubbished.


In any event it would be hypocritical to give city and chelsea oil money dopers abuse then welcome this even if true.

 

[Germlands Nozzer]

My initial thought too. FSG would snap up a £3b offer without hesitation.

There's no way we're worth 3 billion.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

There's no way we're worth 3 billion.

The forbes list put it at 4.1 billion USD.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I'm sure in the past I've seen at least 3 bids denied by fsg. I am sure last year there was a similar story with a similar price that was rubbished.


In any event it would be hypocritical to give city and chelsea oil money dopers abuse then welcome this even if true.

I don't think Liverpool fans would welcome it. I would like some kind of fan ownership like the Germans have 51%/49%. No point fighting for football is for the fans then welcoming something worse.

 

[Germlands Nozzer]

The forbes list put it at 4.1 billion USD.

Great. Let them invest USD 4.1 billion and see when they get their money back

Our record operating Profits were what, just over GBP 100 million? Even assuming that they make that amount every year and it's all pure, after-tax profit ( both untrue), that's 30 years to get 3 billion back. Without discounting.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

I don't think Liverpool fans would welcome it. I would like some kind of fan ownership like the Germans have 51%/49%. No point fighting for football is for the fans then welcoming something worse.

If you can find enough fans to stump up a minimum of £1.5bn to buy out 51% of the club good luck

 

[Solid Air]

The problem in England is that traditionally "investors" have traditionally owned the club unlike in Germany where traditionally most Football clubs were literally clubs so much easier to set a rule than an investor can only own 49% where as here it would literally require either
A ) the owners to willingly five away 51% ( and to whom ? )
B ) forfeiture by the Govt of 51% of the clubs equity .

Love the idea but struggle to see the reality .

 

[Zanjinho]

I don't think Liverpool fans would welcome it. I would like some kind of fan ownership like the Germans have 51%/49%. No point fighting for football is for the fans then welcoming something worse.

Unfortunately, that ships sailed. Best we can hope for is a billionaire that wants us as a play thing.

If you can find enough fans to stump up a minimum of £1.5bn to buy out 51% of the club good luck

No way FSG sell 51% to fans either

 

[johnsonsbaby]

If you can find enough fans to stump up a minimum of £1.5bn to buy out 51% of the club good luck

You don't think we have any millionaire fans?

 

[Tobes]

My initial thought too. FSG would snap up a £3b offer without hesitation.

Of course they would, they paid £300m and have invested nothing.

For that kind of return they’d have jumped at it, as from a business perspective it’s a no brainer.

I asked the question the other day, but what’s the highest price ever paid for a football club? The highest I can find is United, but they bought it with loans leveraged against the club.

Most of the owners in the game have bought cheap and with the aim of selling high, but who’s ever managed it at the kind of levels Forbes quote?

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Great. Let them invest USD 4.1 billion and see when they get their money back

Our record operating Profits were what, just over GBP 100 million? Even assuming that they make that amount every year and it's all pure, after-tax profit ( both untrue), that's 30 years to get 3 billion back. Without discounting.

That's lfc. I'm sure Forbes has some idea of some sort of value fsg extract on the side.

In any event the profit is one thing but all the fixed assets and playing assets and stuff have value too.

What the number is who knows. I couldnt put a number on it.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Of course they would, they paid £300m and have invested nothing.

For that kind of return they’d have jumped at it, as from a business perspective it’s a no brainer.

I asked the question the other day, but what’s the highest price ever paid for a football club? The highest I can find is United, but they bought it with loans leveraged against the club.

Most of the owners in the game have bought cheap and with the aim of selling high, but who’s ever managed it at the kind of levels Forbes quote?

The most expensive is supposedly Brooklyn nets, whoever the **** they are, for 2.3 billion USD.

The la clippers are supposedly going for 2billion on a quickly google.

For a football club it is man utd so far.

Fsg really have not invested so much as backed the losses and write offs as an underwriter and then loaned us 125mil for the main stand that we pay back so yeah it is really a 10x return if it were true.

 

[Tobes]

The most expensive is supposedly Brooklyn nets, whoever the **** they are, for 2.3 billion USD.

The la clippers are supposedly going for 2billion on a quickly google.

For a football club it is man utd so far.

Fsg really have not invested so much as backed the losses and write offs as an underwriter and then loaned us 125mil for the main stand that we pay back so yeah it is really a 10x return if it were true.

American franchises don’t count, as they make genuine returns in the main, due to the way the sports are structured. So it’s easier to value them as you would a traditional business.

So it is United then at £800m, with the vast bulk of that leveraged against the club who’ve are repaying the interest and capital annually. It’ll be interesting to see if any of the dirty dozen owners do decide to do one after this week’s debacle and what they end up getting for their asset.

 

[Zanjinho]

Of course they would, they paid £300m and have invested nothing.

For that kind of return they’d have jumped at it, as from a business perspective it’s a no brainer.

I asked the question the other day, but what’s the highest price ever paid for a football club? The highest I can find is United, but they bought it with loans leveraged against the club.

Most of the owners in the game have bought cheap and with the aim of selling high, but who’s ever managed it at the kind of levels Forbes quote?

I suspect FSG would jump at a £1b offer, never mind £3b

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

American franchises don’t count, as they make genuine returns in the main, due to the way the sports are structured. So it’s easier to value them as you would a traditional business.

So it is United then at £800m, with the vast bulk of that leveraged against the club who’ve are repaying the interest and capital annually. It’ll be interesting to see if any of the dirty dozen owners do decide to do one after this week’s debacle and what they end up getting for their asset.

Fair enough, I couldn't find anything recently even close to utd like say inter to the Chinese but it was miles off.

The yanks at least spend a shed load but I cannot see what oil shielkh would want to spend 3 billion when they could spend 300 on Newcastle and 600mil on the team and get there as ffp is a joke. It makes no sense in the English game to buy a plaything club when you can make one.

Only the business model or the glazier harvesting model makes sense surely?

I don't think any of the yanks want to sell but getting a new face in like the arsenal guy with the big chat would be no harm I suppose. Most all are absentee owners who will now simply want to ignore the thing till it goes away imo.

Fsg have imo been hawking lfc for 6 or 7 years and have not found the buyer at the price. I just don't believe they ever been realistic with value or their model where they want into the global market still. It will be interesting to see though. I don't think they have the stomach for it really. If they want to stay the best thing would be to get anfield Road end new out there ASAP.

 

[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

Lots of Experts on acquisition valuations in football on here today

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Lots of Experts on acquisition valuations in football on here today

Is saying whay you found on google making you I am an "expert on acquisition valuations"

you'd swear having an opinion was a crime sometimes.

I'll stand by my opinion though, FSG history of hawking LFC about has then there since 2010 and out on google and the numbers have always been mental

for example https://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/...-talks-ongoing-investment-chinese-everbright/

they never got that main stand naming sold off either. They really wanted to sell naming for anfield and fans said no to that as I recall too.

theres probabaly 5 or 6 different occasions they've been said to be talking to poeple but it took just 10 seconds to find that one.

I'd also stand by say that if FSG want to try placate LFC local fans they ought to get the anfield road plans out and approved. They have always talked about it as not about getting more fans in to see games but as a hard business deal. a 10 year payback or 20 year payback was seen as too much for their 58k effort so lets see.

So bringing i back to topic I doubt buying 10 players would really ingratiate them to the fans they have angered.