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PowerSpurs said:
If Mourinho wanted those players he could have bought them instead of Doherty and Bergwijn.
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Levy bought Bergwijn....I hated Mourinho but Levy takes the fall for that one. Like Lucas for Poch, the managers didn't want the player and used them accordingly.

Doherty is down to Mourinho but he was a cheap option due to financial constraints that wouldn't have been the same, had Levy had less influence in player acquisition/retention. The club had been tracking Max Aarons for some time but....well, we know the rest.
 
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"Thanks for that Brian" said:
Levy bought Bergwijn....I hated Mourinho but Levy takes the fall for that one. Like Lucas for Poch, the managers didn't want the player and used them accordingly.

Doherty is down to Mourinho but he was a cheap option due to financial constraints that wouldn't have been the same, had Levy had less influence in player acquisition/retention. The club had been tracking Max Aarons for some time but....well, we know the rest.
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Levy has increased the financial strength of the club massively. It is simply factually wrong to say that that has limited our transfer budget. And how do you possibly come to the conclusion that Levy bought Bergwijn?
 
PowerSpurs said:
Levy has increased the financial strength of the club massively. It is simply factually wrong to say that that has limited our transfer budget. And how do you possibly come to the conclusion that Levy bought Bergwijn?
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Maybe because Mourinho said it at the time of his signing...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...tes-Spurs-chiefs-signing-Steven-Bergwijn.html

He wanted a big bruiser up front (Willian Jose) to replace the injured Harry Kane...Levy bought him a winger....as he does....over and over again.

Look, I get that you want to defend Levy at all cost....but his time running of running the club as his personal fiefdom has to end....for the good of the club as a whole.
 
PowerSpurs said:
Which club trained player was available? We didn't have any spare slots for the Europa League.
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So, we'd go in one player light. It's far from ideal...but it's not worse than keeping players at a club that Mourinho doesn't want. We all know what that leads to.

The first MAY become a problem. The second is ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED to end up dividing the dressing room.
 
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"Thanks for that Brian" said:
Maybe because Mourinho said it at the time of his signing...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...tes-Spurs-chiefs-signing-Steven-Bergwijn.html

He wanted a big bruiser up front (Willian Jose) to replace the injured Harry Kane...Levy bought him a winger....as he does....over and over again.

Look, I get that you want to defend Levy at all cost....but his time running of running the club as his personal fiefdom has to end....for the good of the club as a whole.
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The discussion was started by your claim that we could have bought Ollie Watkins if we had sold Dele. Bergwijn is like for like with Watkins. And even if he was not Mourinho's first choice you have not shown any evidence that he was Levy's choice which was the claim you made. We have a recruitment department. The only players who Levy clearly was the driver for were Bale and Van der Vaart.
 
PowerSpurs said:
The discussion was started by your claim that we could have bought Ollie Watkins if we had sold Dele. Bergwijn is like for like with Watkins. And even if he was not Mourinho's first choice you have not shown any evidence that he was Levy's choice which was the claim you made. We have a recruitment department. The only players who Levy clearly was the driver for were Bale and Van der Vaart.
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There is a 3 man panel deciding who we buy.

Hitchen wanted Bergwijn.

Mourinho didn't.

I wonder who had the casting vote?
 
PowerSpurs said:
He was on loan which was presumably a Mourinho decision
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No. Fair play to Mourinho, he wanted to keep Skipp but the lad wanted to play football (good for him).

"I never told him I want him to go on loan, I always told him I wanted him to stay here, because that's the selfish perspective of a coach who wants the best possible squad. In his mind he wants to go on loan, six months, the whole season.

"He feels that he needs that, I also feel that would be good for his evolution, so maybe that is the direction we go.

https://www.football.london/tottenh...mourinho-plan-oliver-skipp-tottenham-19611967
 
"Thanks for that Brian" said:
There is a 3 man panel deciding who we buy.

Hitchen wanted Bergwijn.

Mourinho didn't.

I wonder who had the casting vote?
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Much more likely they had a discussion and came to a consensus view. Can't see Levy spending millions against the wishes of Mourinho who only said he was not his first choice. The panel should work with all three having a veto, not on some majority vote.
 
"Thanks for that Brian" said:
No. Fair play to Mourinho, he wanted to keep Skipp but the lad wanted to play football (good for him).

"I never told him I want him to go on loan, I always told him I wanted him to stay here, because that's the selfish perspective of a coach who wants the best possible squad. In his mind he wants to go on loan, six months, the whole season.

"He feels that he needs that, I also feel that would be good for his evolution, so maybe that is the direction we go.

https://www.football.london/tottenh...mourinho-plan-oliver-skipp-tottenham-19611967
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Well if he did that knowing he wanted to sell Winks then he got it badly wrong.
 
PowerSpurs said:
The discussion was started by your claim that we could have bought Ollie Watkins if we had sold Dele. Bergwijn is like for like with Watkins. And even if he was not Mourinho's first choice you have not shown any evidence that he was Levy's choice which was the claim you made. We have a recruitment department. The only players who Levy clearly was the driver for were Bale and Van der Vaart.
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how is Bergwijn like for like with Watkins. Watkins has been playing centre forward the whole time at villa and played as a traditional centre forward for brentford in his final season.

Bergwijn has always been more of a winger.
 
BobbyD said:
how is Bergwijn like for like with Watkins. Watkins has been playing centre forward the whole time at villa and played as a traditional centre forward for brentford in his final season.

Bergwijn has always been more of a winger.
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I thought Watkins was one of a fluid front three at Brentford. He was also a Gooner!
 
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Well if he did that knowing he wanted to sell Winks then he got it badly wrong.
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Even I don't think that Mourinho was going to let Skipp and Winks leave without bringing in a replacement. I like Winks but he's wholly unsuited to playing Mourinho-ball and if there was any chance of making the best of a bad appointment, giving Mourinho more players that he wanted had to be a better idea than not doing so.

If Levy had authorised selling some of the players Mourinho wanted gone, it's likely that our transfer window would have looked quite different.
 
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