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Confess I had to Google that. Doesn't look like he apologised, but seemed to acknowledge he was 'worth of criticism'.
Edit - I do him a disservice, seems he did apologise. Seems very unclear if he was properly involved?
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I really don't think they will be brought to account for any of this stuff. They'll just wave their vaccine flags and we'll all just be grateful that we're no longer in lockdown and forget about all the fatal ****-ups and corrupt contracts.
Johnson benefits from Trump's 'fifth avenue syndrome' whereby he can do or say pretty much anything and not lose popularity. The Tories have made corruption and sleaze an accepted part of government. Everyone knows Johnson lies through his teeth, but they accept it. We've become the kind of corrupt country that we used laugh at.
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Obviously not. Then again when I read your utter rubbish, it is hard to try and copy such crap.
That's a huge exaggeration, Strolls. There is a tendency towards cronyism when you have governments with massive majorities. Blair had plenty of it. Thatcher/Major with the brown paper envelope MP's. You and I are old enough to remember Harold Wilson and the Gannex and Eric Miller scandals.
He sat on the Board of Governors of what is, and always has been, a far right think tank. He either supported their views or didn’t do very much research before accepting the role. Of course he’s free to have whatever opinions he likes and also change his mind about them. And at least when he does share his opinions they are under his own name - a sniper’s dream!
His opinion piece is superficially interesting, but its odd that in his analysis of the end of ‘post war’ Britain and politics he completely omits any reference to religion and religious terrorism, globalisation, poverty and inequality, immigration, especially non white immigration, technology, and the dominance of the ‘individual’ as a creed. As someone of precisely his generation (I’m a year older) these seem to me to be the things that have defined the shift from the postwar era, certainly in the last 20 years or so. Oh, and if you are going to refer to ‘Socialism’s great failed states’, clearly an ideological point, you really have to be able to account for China.
Sorry, not a fan, which doesn’t mean that I think everything he says is wrong. There probably are too many people, of a clearly identifiable type and with some power and influence, who are stuck in a postwar mindset. For balance I’m also not a fan of David Aaronovitch, Finkelstein’s leftish counterweight in the Times. As I said on the Liddle thread, I find it easy to ignore people who have opinions to a deadline for money.
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Na that’s you trying to make Moore’s suffering of racist abuse about his performance on the pitch
There’s a short window between “now is not the time” and “we can’t change the past, time to look ahead and move on”. Sometimes so short it doesn’t happen at all.
Does seem odd of him to have supported a far right think tank given he's (from everything I've ever read from him) been consistently centre right, and is extremely cautious about the far right because of his Jewish ancestry. Glad he apologised for whatever involvement he did have.
Alas, I am a fan. Tend to enjoy what he writes - and typically enjoy most of The Times columnists, Aaronvitch included. I enjoy that they will often disagree with one another too and seem to have a relatively long leash without a strict editorial line.
I think the piece does make an important, if relatively simple, point - and perhaps this is the history grad in me - that revisionist interpretations are both to be expected and welcome. In this case, that the dominant consensus narrative about the UK's historic role in the world is being challenged more vigorously than it has been previously, and by more often. This perhaps underpins much of the 'culture wars' that we see across the media, but even played out at times on this message board.
As for China, we both know they're not socialists
Agreed. Which of the ‘Socialism’s great failed states’ were?As for China, we both know they're not socialists
Not that I’m a socialist.
whats racist today
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'Cheese is racist' storm as hundreds back ban on dairy foods in school
SERVING dairy in foods at schools is "racist" an Extinction Rebellion campaigner told a council after hundreds signed a petition to serve children plant based meals only.
By Sarah Booker-Lewis and Bradley Jolly
PUBLISHED: 11:29, Wed, Apr 14, 2021 | UPDATED: 13:24, Wed, Apr 14, 2021
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Alison Plaumer, from the global environmental movement, has led a petition for more plant-based meals to be served in schools and other venues. She told one council there is a "racist element" to serving dairy because she believes a large percentage of the BAME communities is lactose-intolerant. More than 240 people have backed the campaign so far, reports Sussex Live.
Alison Plaumer, from Extinction Rebellion, spoke at a council meeting (Image: Sussex Live)
Arguably, there is a racist element to serving dairy too much because 65 per cent of the world’s population are lactose intolerant, many from the BAME community
Alison Plaumer, from Extinction Rebellion
Speaking at Brighton and Hove City Council meeting in March, Ms Plaumer said: "Arguably, there is a racist element to serving dairy too much because 65 per cent of the world’s population are lactose intolerant, many from the BAME (black, Asian and minority ethnic) community.
"Loads of parents around here give lots of support to this. What do children want? They want action. They want it now."
The petition, seen by the authority, requests two plant-based days are introduced at state-run schools as soon as possible – and for all council-run events to be plant-based once the pandemic is over.
But people online have blasted Ms Plaumer.
One posted: "If people think food is racist then they are not qualified to be near a school."
Another said: "I am lactose intolerant and not from the group you name so what point were you making? Food cannot be racist."
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cheese
'Cheese is racist' storm as hundreds back ban on dairy foods in school
SERVING dairy in foods at schools is "racist" an Extinction Rebellion campaigner told a council after hundreds signed a petition to serve children plant based meals only.
By Sarah Booker-Lewis and Bradley Jolly
PUBLISHED: 11:29, Wed, Apr 14, 2021 | UPDATED: 13:24, Wed, Apr 14, 2021
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Alison Plaumer, from the global environmental movement, has led a petition for more plant-based meals to be served in schools and other venues. She told one council there is a "racist element" to serving dairy because she believes a large percentage of the BAME communities is lactose-intolerant. More than 240 people have backed the campaign so far, reports Sussex Live.
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Alison Plaumer, from Extinction Rebellion, spoke at a council meeting (Image: Sussex Live)
Arguably, there is a racist element to serving dairy too much because 65 per cent of the world’s population are lactose intolerant, many from the BAME community
Alison Plaumer, from Extinction Rebellion
Speaking at Brighton and Hove City Council meeting in March, Ms Plaumer said: "Arguably, there is a racist element to serving dairy too much because 65 per cent of the world’s population are lactose intolerant, many from the BAME (black, Asian and minority ethnic) community.
"Loads of parents around here give lots of support to this. What do children want? They want action. They want it now."
The petition, seen by the authority, requests two plant-based days are introduced at state-run schools as soon as possible – and for all council-run events to be plant-based once the pandemic is over.
But people online have blasted Ms Plaumer.
One posted: "If people think food is racist then they are not qualified to be near a school."
Another said: "I am lactose intolerant and not from the group you name so what point were you making? Food cannot be racist."
I know, he keeps posting this ****, doesn't he?