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If we want to keep Kane/Son we need to get rid of the **** players around them or they might want to surround themselves with quality in another team. Getting rid of the manager isn’t us moving forward because I can’t see Kane signing up to another 5 year project with someone else who’s won nothing but is being touted to be the next Poch, even though the original Poch didn’t win anything with us either and he had one of the best Spurs squads at their peak we have seen in a good few years and indeed he assembled it and still we didn’t get there.

I don’t think Kane thinks like some Spurs fans who think he will stay forever regardless of how much non ambition the owners show. I guess he will be more objective about the situation than the fans who enjoy micro dissecting every call the manager makes. I think when Kane looks at the dressing room he probably sees the lazy bastards some of the Spurs fans see and it probably triggers his alarm bells more than Jose’s tactics. Does he look like a bit of a clown who enjoys a good dab, when he scores, does he come across as someone who ‘tools down’ when he isnt getting what he wants etc? He’s a serious kinda guy with serious ambition...the only thing he believes he can achieve with us is to smash the goal scoring records and he’s obsessed with it and will do it but you can’t win the big ones in a team sport, on your own. He’s an ambitious man and I think he probably has the back of the man who has helped him produce his best season stat wise to date. He probably sees it more in line with I’m backing the winner, instead of thinking like some of the fans who just want someone who’s going bring back some tippy tappy whilst being eternal almost rans. You think City couldn’t sign class players when they had lesser managers than Pep delivering trophies aswell?

Class players want to play in a class team even if Avram Grant is in charge.
 
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If we want to keep Kane/Son we need to get rid of the **** players around them or they might want to surround themselves with quality in another team. Getting rid of the manager isn’t us moving forward because I can’t see Kane signing up to another 5 year project with someone else who’s won nothing but is being touted to be the next Poch, even though the original Poch didn’t win anything with us either and he had one of the best Spurs squads at their peak we have seen in a good few years and indeed he assembled it and still we didn’t get there.

I don’t think Kane thinks like some Spurs fans who think he will stay forever regardless of how much non ambition the owners show. I guess he will be more objective about the situation than the fans who enjoy micro dissecting every call the manager makes. I think when Kane looks at the dressing room he probably sees the lazy bastards some of the Spurs fans see and it probably triggers his alarm bells more than Jose’s tactics. Does he look like a bit of a clown who enjoys a good dab, when he scores, does he come across as someone who ‘tools down’ when he isnt getting what he wants etc? He’s a serious kinda guy with serious ambition...the only thing he believes he can achieve with us is to smash the goal scoring records and he’s obsessed with it and will do it but you can’t win the big ones in a team sport, on your own. He’s an ambitious man and I think he probably has the back of the man who has helped him produce his best season stat wise to date. He probably sees it more in line with I’m backing the winner, instead of thinking like some of the fans who just want someone who’s going bring back some tippy tappy whilst being eternal almost rans. You think City couldn’t sign class players when they had lesser managers than Pep delivering trophies aswell?

Class players want to play in a class team even if Avram Grant is in charge.
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While I agree with your analysis of Kane’s mentality, he’s also contracted to 2024 with us. He could genuinely play for any team in the world and succeed, of that I have no doubt, but given he’s got 3 years left on his deal with us, I very much doubt anyone can afford what Levy would demand right now.

Levy can’t be blind to the sentiment on the team at the moment and regardless of how this season ends up, but especially if we don’t win the cup and/or miss out on top 4, if he sanctions the sale of Kane even for a world record fee, it’s not going to be a happy return for the fans.

Simply put I can’t see Kane going this summer, unless he literally down tools and refuses to train. But I don’t think he’ll do that - yes he’s clearly ambitious but he’s also a serious professional and I think he has enough respect for his own professional reputation and for the club that has facilitated his career to not make that kind of move.

Sonny is far more likely to move on this summer IMO, and while he’d clearly be a big loss, I think it’s also one that we’d deal with more easily, both practically and psychologically.
 
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Spurlock said:
If we want to keep Kane/Son we need to get rid of the **** players around them or they might want to surround themselves with quality in another team. Getting rid of the manager isn’t us moving forward because I can’t see Kane signing up to another 5 year project with someone else who’s won nothing but is being touted to be the next Poch, even though the original Poch didn’t win anything with us either and he had one of the best Spurs squads at their peak we have seen in a good few years and indeed he assembled it and still we didn’t get there.

I don’t think Kane thinks like some Spurs fans who think he will stay forever regardless of how much non ambition the owners show. I guess he will be more objective about the situation than the fans who enjoy micro dissecting every call the manager makes. I think when Kane looks at the dressing room he probably sees the lazy bastards some of the Spurs fans see and it probably triggers his alarm bells more than Jose’s tactics. Does he look like a bit of a clown who enjoys a good dab, when he scores, does he come across as someone who ‘tools down’ when he isnt getting what he wants etc? He’s a serious kinda guy with serious ambition...the only thing he believes he can achieve with us is to smash the goal scoring records and he’s obsessed with it and will do it but you can’t win the big ones in a team sport, on your own. He’s an ambitious man and I think he probably has the back of the man who has helped him produce his best season stat wise to date. He probably sees it more in line with I’m backing the winner, instead of thinking like some of the fans who just want someone who’s going bring back some tippy tappy whilst being eternal almost rans. You think City couldn’t sign class players when they had lesser managers than Pep delivering trophies aswell?

Class players want to play in a class team even if Avram Grant is in charge.
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If we're not in the CL, all of our best players will think about playing elsewhere. We might be able to keep them...just.

If we're not in the EL, I'd expect departures of players who we'd like to keep. Rightly, that'll also include Mourinho because it'll be major rebuild time and I'd expect Lewis to tell Levy to do it, as he told him to let Harry go.

It's a results business...end of.
 
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So there's a video doing the rounds of that current Youtube staple, the tier list, where a couple of blokes decide what we should do in the summer

To save you a click and or 42:31 of your lives, here;s what they decided

Priority - Must Keep
Harry Kane
Son Heung-min
Tanguy Ndombele
Giovanni Lo Celso
Pierre Emil Hojbjerg
Sergi Reguilon
Lucas Moura
Carlos Vinicius
Japhet Tanganga

Not Broken Don't Fix It
Ben Davies
Joe Hart

Haven't Seen Enough
Joe Rodon
Steven Bergwijn
Matt Doherty

Loan Move
Jack Clarke
Dele Alli

Must Sell
Hugo Lloris
Gareth Bale
Toby Alderweireld
Moussa Sissoko
Serge Aurier
Erik Lamela
Ryan Sessegnon
Eric Dier
Harry Winks
Paulo Gazzaniga

...in other words, be thankful these two don't work for the club, because we'd only be able to register our starting xi next season - and Matt Doherty will be part of it
 
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Newcastle, West Ham, Fulham, Wolves, Newcastle, Arsenal ... winning in all ...
Only got 5 points at the end of those games.

Newcastle, Southampton, West Ham, Wolves, Newcastle and Liverpool all scored against us in the final minutes costing us 9 points.

Newcastle (a) Arsenal (a) Liverpool (h)
Chelsea (a) West Ham 2nd half (h)
Fulham (h) Burnley (a) wba (a) Southampton 1st half (a)
West ham 1st 70 mins (a) Brighton (a)
Man City (a) Leicester (h)
Palace 2nd half (a)

All unacceptable
14 games out of 30.

How has Maureen still got a job?
 
remembercolinlee said:
Was never worth the gamble ... appalling from Levy.
I genuinely do not enjoy watching us.

This is worse than anything since the early 2000s.
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I haven’t enjoyed watching us for about 2 or 3 years to be honest mate.

Club’s just a mess at the moment, Jose has certainly proven to be the wrong appointment but there’s so much wrong at the club that I can’t just put it all down to one person.

Wrong manager, wrong signings (from both managers/ Levy/ Hitchen), wrong tactics (from both managers), wrong selections (from both managers), wrong contract renewals, wrong decisions in terms of keeping certain players when they could've/ should've been sold... ****ing disasterclass really.

Can only laugh or cry and I do my best at trying to avoid the latter, lol.
 
There is more than enough 'talent' in the squad, but not enough character and or bottle that was the main problem under Poch (along with his own ability to shoot us in the foot in the big matches) and it remains a problem with Jose. But at least with Poch were playing enterprising football. The matches now are almost unwatchable and for a coach renowned for setting up teams to win we seldom ever look totally comfortable with the style that we trying to adopt.

We have probably the worst crop of defenders at the club now than we have had since the days of Gerry Francis. Rodon may well come good and if he gets played alongside a competent vocal defender then he has a chance. Likewise Tanganga, Reggie is a modern day defender, normally good energy and excellent up and down and decent delivery, but as a defender he often worries me.
 
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Oh well, at least we know what we're going to be discussing all week...
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I don't have a problem with Alderweireld's omission, as he played 270 minutes in a short period for Belgium.
Why that twat Martinez felt it was necessary to do so, including the 8-0 drubbing of Belarus on Wednesday, is more of an issue.
He was the only centre-half from the three selected that played every minute.

Aurier, on the other hand? Played twice in two relatively straightforward victories and the second game was on Tuesday.
Ivory Coast's on the same time zone as England. Why wasn't he in the squad?
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
I don't have a problem with Alderweireld's omission, as he played 270 minutes in a short period for Belgium.
Why that twat Martinez felt it was necessary to do so, including the 8-0 drubbing of Belarus on Wednesday, is more of an issue.
He was the only centre-half from the three selected that played every minute.

Aurier, on the other hand? Played twice in two relatively straightforward victories and the second game was on Tuesday.
Ivory Coast's on the same time zone as England. Why wasn't he in the squad?
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The Narrative is shifting onto it not being Dier and Winks that the ubermensch has fallen out with, but Toby and Aurier

Come back this time next week when it shifts again onto all four of them...
 
Here's something I can't help but wonder

Imagine if, at the start of the 2019-20 season, Poch made just one change to THAT BASTARD DIAMOND, just one: instead of having Harry Winks at the base, he went all-in and gave Oliver Skipp the ball to run with

A large part of the problems with that formation is that both Winks and Sissoko tend to move the ball out to the flanks while Ndombele plays it forward, which means that it was relatively easy to isolate Kane and Eriksen/Lo Celso because our FBs were often pinned back by the system so Winks and Sissoko were effectively given the choice of moving the ball backwards (and, with Winks in a deeper position, this was especially problematic)

In comparison look at Skipp at Norwich this season, and you'll see somebody in the Scott Parker mold of moving the ball forwards on their own, and with the ball moving forwards that means opponents move backwards and, as Dembele proved, it doesn't matter if the pass is a percentage play if you've moved the ball into a different area as the team has the initiative at that point

Would things be drastically different now? It's hard to say, because as we know the Eriksen situation was always going to be resolved the way it was and it was clear THAT BASTARD DIAMOND was stifling so much of our play by funneling the ball into a narrow area instead of the expansive play of before, but sometimes it's worth asking if a small change could have spared us seeing players thrown under the bus every week or two
 
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