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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Sooperhoop said:
No, your example and my response show exactly where British politics is at the moment, there's no middle ground. You have a Tory government that is at best inept and a Labour opposition that doesn't have a cohesive direction that will persuade the working class they truly represent them.

George Galloway's Workers Party is far more in synch with Labour voters than the current Labour has been for many years. It's a shame Labour is now caught in a battle within itself which will keep the Tories in power as long as they offer 'crumbs' near election time. British politics frankly stinks...
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The exact same reason why the SNP will remain in power up here. No matter how damaging the Sturgeon/Salmond thing turns out, there is no credible alternative at the moment in Scottish politics. The Tories are too closely aligned to Westminster and even Unionists see that as a bad thing at the moment. Labour have just elected their third leader in as many years but are a shadow of their former selves up here and Sarwar needs at least a couple of years to get some momentum behind his leadership - although his views on Independance, asking for more devolved powers whilst staying within the Union, may bring him additional votes . Lib Dems, almost invisible, and against Independance. Greens are quite strong, but closely aligned to the SNP Independance wagon, as long as it brings along the green revolution. Galloway may do well in the upcoming election if he campaigns well with his other new party, Alliance 4 Unity, as he challenges the SNP, but his plans to unite all Unionist supporting parties under one alliance has been snubbed by the others as some of his parties ideals have been deemed a touch extreme (support for Tommy Robinson, support for Brexit etc). What he may do is damage the SNP bandwagon by calling out Sturgeon on her policy failings.
 
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Steelmonkey said:
The exact same reason why the SNP will remain in power up here. No matter how damaging the Sturgeon/Salmond thing turns out, there is no credible alternative at the moment in Scottish politics. The Tories are too closely aligned to Westminster and even Unionists see that as a bad thing at the moment. Labour have just elected their third leader in as many years but are a shadow of their former selves up here and Sarwar needs at least a couple of years to get some momentum behind his leadership - although his views on Independance, asking for more devolved powers whilst staying within the Union, may bring him additional votes . Lib Dems, almost invisible, and against Independance. Greens are quite strong, but closely aligned to the SNP Independance wagon, as long as it brings along the green revolution. Galloway may do well in the upcoming election if he campaigns well with his other new party, Alliance 4 Unity, as he challenges the SNP, but his plans to unite all Unionist supporting parties under one alliance has been snubbed by the others as some of his parties ideals have been deemed a touch extreme (support for Tommy Robinson, support for Brexit etc). What he may do is damage the SNP bandwagon by calling out Sturgeon on her policy failings.
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Genuine question Steels....Why is Galloways support of Brexit (from a Left Wing point of view, which he quite obviously has) seen as too ‘extreme’ ? Is it more to the fact that they, the SNP, are so enamoured by the EU cult being so good that they just simply disagree with any form of Brexit entirely ?
I honestly hadn’t heard anything George has said in support of Tommy Robinson, I can only surmise it might have something to do with the right to free speech, which to be fair and in my opinion, he has got a point. Care to elaborate as I would honestly be interested in what he has said.
 
Staines R's said:
Genuine question Steels....Why is Galloways support of Brexit (from a Left Wing point of view, which he quite obviously has) seen as too ‘extreme’ ? Is it more to the fact that they, the SNP, are so enamoured by the EU cult being so good that they just simply disagree with any form of Brexit entirely ?
I honestly hadn’t heard anything George has said in support of Tommy Robinson, I can only surmise it might have something to do with the right to free speech, which to be fair and in my opinion, he has got a point. Care to elaborate as I would honestly be interested in what he has said.
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Not Gorgeous George, one of his mates....

Candidate in George Galloway's party exposed as racist who backs Tommy Robinson

A CANDIDATE in George Galloway’s new Unionist party has been exposed as a racist who backs Tommy Robinson.

Former radio DJ Jean Mathieson, who is set to stand with Galloway on the South Scotland regional list, has expressed support for the English Defence League and described a post attacking George Floyd as "perfect".

In a social media thread from June uncovered by the Sunday Mail, the Alliance 4 Unity candidate responded to a tweet which called Floyd – whose death in police custody sparked Black Lives Matter protests across the world – a “black lowlife pile of s**t”.

Mathieson replied: “I actually do love you. Perfect tweet.”

In another post, she wrote: “Wait until they find out I agree with a few of Tommy Robinson’s views. I’ll be crucified.”

The Alliance 4 Unity candidate also described people who endorse Islamic halal meat preparation as “savages”.

In April, she complained about “foreigners” getting jobs in the UK, writing: “I assume a lot of fruit and veg growers in the UK are bitter Remainers.


“We all know tens of thousands of British people applied to harvest the produce but still the foreigners are employed first. Shameful.”

In a separate post, she claimed Extinction Rebellion activists need a “good kicking” and suggested police in London had been infiltrated by “glitter fairies”

https://www.thenational.scot/news/1...ys-party-exposed-racist-backs-tommy-robinson/

As a country that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU (well in excess of 60%), it does have an effect on how a party is defined even if it is from a left leaning viewpoint (Scotland is predominantly a socialist voting country I'd say).
 
Steelmonkey said:
Not Gorgeous George, one of his mates....

Candidate in George Galloway's party exposed as racist who backs Tommy Robinson

A CANDIDATE in George Galloway’s new Unionist party has been exposed as a racist who backs Tommy Robinson.

Former radio DJ Jean Mathieson, who is set to stand with Galloway on the South Scotland regional list, has expressed support for the English Defence League and described a post attacking George Floyd as "perfect".

In a social media thread from June uncovered by the Sunday Mail, the Alliance 4 Unity candidate responded to a tweet which called Floyd – whose death in police custody sparked Black Lives Matter protests across the world – a “black lowlife pile of s**t”.

Mathieson replied: “I actually do love you. Perfect tweet.”

In another post, she wrote: “Wait until they find out I agree with a few of Tommy Robinson’s views. I’ll be crucified.”

The Alliance 4 Unity candidate also described people who endorse Islamic halal meat preparation as “savages”.

In April, she complained about “foreigners” getting jobs in the UK, writing: “I assume a lot of fruit and veg growers in the UK are bitter Remainers.


“We all know tens of thousands of British people applied to harvest the produce but still the foreigners are employed first. Shameful.”

In a separate post, she claimed Extinction Rebellion activists need a “good kicking” and suggested police in London had been infiltrated by “glitter fairies”

https://www.thenational.scot/news/1...ys-party-exposed-racist-backs-tommy-robinson/

As a country that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU (well in excess of 60%), it does have an effect on how a party is defined even if it is from a left leaning viewpoint (Scotland is predominantly a socialist voting country I'd say).
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Hmmmm.....so not ACTUALLY George himself....isn’t that a bit wrong blaming him for the thoughts or wrongdoings of every one of his supporters/candidates ?
Honestly not having a pop, as you should know, however I can’t see the reasoning behind assuming that the party or he himself support TR because of one candidate
 
Staines R's said:
Hmmmm.....so not ACTUALLY George himself....isn’t that a bit wrong blaming him for the thoughts or wrongdoings of every one of his supporters/candidates ?
Honestly not having a pop, as you should know, however I can’t see the reasoning behind assuming that the party or he himself support TR because of one candidate
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I never said it was George though.....

Mate, I don't write the narrative, the media do. Wasn't one of the reasons Labour lost the last election was because they were all "anti-Semite"? A load of bollocks, agreed, but one bad apple can ruin the lot if the press see fit.

Aligned to that, he also has UKIP founder Alan Sked in tow. Galloway is clever, his mission is to undermine the SNP, he hates them with a passion and he'll portray them in as bad a light as possible - he may not win many, if any, seats but he could do enough damage to prevent them getting a majority.
 
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Willhoops said:
Some do, what I believe is that there are a lot of people who were never political as there there wasn’t really an issue that grabbed them who now have been pulled in by brexit, and whilst there are definitely people who have their reasons for voting that exist beyond foreigners, yourself and Staines bring prime examples, these same people are seemingly the same ones slagging off the NHS, Greta and climate change, Meghan, the list continues.

What is worrying, and I’ve noticed it on the royal thread is that I’m noticing more and more the same things being parroted, pretty much word for word, which says to me this has to be that they are watching and listening to the same things and the narratives are being driven.
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On Brexit, a lot of people had been unimpressed by the EU for some time, particularly competence from Brussels and the loss of control over immigration from EU countries. I expect the Remain side suffered from people's concern over the scale of immigration generally including non-EU. In any event, a big message was sent to Cameron's government. Currently, I don't see a scramble to want to rejoin the EU, despite early teething difficulties over NI, fishing etc

I haven't noticed any parroting on the Royal issue, pro or con Harry and Meghan. Can you point out any examples?
 
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Steelmonkey said:
Not Gorgeous George, one of his mates....

Candidate in George Galloway's party exposed as racist who backs Tommy Robinson

A CANDIDATE in George Galloway’s new Unionist party has been exposed as a racist who backs Tommy Robinson.

Former radio DJ Jean Mathieson, who is set to stand with Galloway on the South Scotland regional list, has expressed support for the English Defence League and described a post attacking George Floyd as "perfect".

In a social media thread from June uncovered by the Sunday Mail, the Alliance 4 Unity candidate responded to a tweet which called Floyd – whose death in police custody sparked Black Lives Matter protests across the world – a “black lowlife pile of s**t”.

Mathieson replied: “I actually do love you. Perfect tweet.”

In another post, she wrote: “Wait until they find out I agree with a few of Tommy Robinson’s views. I’ll be crucified.”

The Alliance 4 Unity candidate also described people who endorse Islamic halal meat preparation as “savages”.

In April, she complained about “foreigners” getting jobs in the UK, writing: “I assume a lot of fruit and veg growers in the UK are bitter Remainers.


“We all know tens of thousands of British people applied to harvest the produce but still the foreigners are employed first. Shameful.”

In a separate post, she claimed Extinction Rebellion activists need a “good kicking” and suggested police in London had been infiltrated by “glitter fairies”

https://www.thenational.scot/news/1...ys-party-exposed-racist-backs-tommy-robinson/

As a country that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU (well in excess of 60%), it does have an effect on how a party is defined even if it is from a left leaning viewpoint (Scotland is predominantly a socialist voting country I'd say).
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This sort of stuff happens when anyone tries to set up a new party. I remember UKIP took whoever they could get, and regretted having a few nutters that slipped in, and had to be ejected with associated bad press.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
On Brexit, a lot of people had been unimpressed by the EU for some time, particularly competence from Brussels and the loss of control over immigration from EU countries. I expect the Remain side suffered from people's concern over the scale of immigration generally including non-EU. In any event, a big message was sent to Cameron's government. Currently, I don't see a scramble to want to rejoin the EU, despite early teething difficulties over NI, fishing etc

I haven't noticed any parroting on the Royal issue, pro or con Harry and Meghan. Can you point out any examples?
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Someone said she’s ‘addicted to fame’ I’ve seen that comment all over social media along with certain narratives such as them ‘whinging’ (a word used continuously, no variation I don’t see complaining, bitching, moaning, always whinging, that’s not a coincidence) about suffering from mental health issues and it’s dismissed with the exact same point of that it’s unbelievable they’d say it during the pandemic.
 
Willhoops said:
Someone said she’s ‘addicted to fame’ I’ve seen that comment all over social media along with certain narratives such as them ‘whinging’ (a word used continuously, no variation I don’t see complaining, bitching, moaning, always whinging, that’s not a coincidence) about suffering from mental health issues and it’s dismissed with the exact same point of that it’s unbelievable they’d say it during the pandemic.
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I think I used whingeing. Are you saying I used that because I heard or read it in the media? I don't believe a lot of what Meghan said. I think she was lying and it's easy to get everyone on your side by saying - I wanted to kill myself. And what did Harry do? Nothing. What did she do? Did she see her private physician? No. Did she attend Harley Street to see a psychiatrist? No. What did she do then? She went to the Palace's HR department. What?
 
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Steelmonkey said:
I never said it was George though.....

Mate, I don't write the narrative, the media do. Wasn't one of the reasons Labour lost the last election was because they were all "anti-Semite"? A load of bollocks, agreed, but one bad apple can ruin the lot if the press see fit.

Aligned to that, he also has UKIP founder Alan Sked in tow. Galloway is clever, his mission is to undermine the SNP, he hates them with a passion and he'll portray them in as bad a light as possible - he may not win many, if any, seats but he could do enough damage to prevent them getting a majority.
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Sorry mate, you didn’t say George I agree.
And your points about the media lies and half trues definitely ring true....if they can throw enough mud then some of it will surely stick,

As a matter of interest...why does GG hate the SNP so much ? I realise he is very pro the union but as you quite rightly say, he seems to hate them with an unbridled passion. Any chance it’s ‘cos he’s a good mate of Salmond ?
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
On Brexit, a lot of people had been unimpressed by the EU for some time, particularly competence from Brussels and the loss of control over immigration from EU countries. I expect the Remain side suffered from people's concern over the scale of immigration generally including non-EU. In any event, a big message was sent to Cameron's government. Currently, I don't see a scramble to want to rejoin the EU, despite early teething difficulties over NI, fishing etc

I haven't noticed any parroting on the Royal issue, pro or con Harry and Meghan. Can you point out any examples?
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Who wants to rejoin the EU Goldie... maybe a few die hards? The EU have acted extremely badly and has actually turned more people off. They are wrecking things internally and externally yet you will always get a few that will never want to admit it. Like the government roll out of vaccinations... plenty on here criticised them at every point (remember the 120K deaths quote), yet they will never bring themselves around to say "yeah they did that well". Maybe through gritted teeth I have seen one or two acknowledge it when confronted but the same people will never accept it.

Other than the EU acting like a spoilt child, Brexit hasn't ended up being the apocalyptic event we were told it would be. The City has new investment, new trade deals and big companies wanting to move to London. Even today...
Frankfurt school places left empty as bankers stay in the City post-Brexit
Three international schools in Germany's financial capital say there has been no Brexit-related student influx despite a surge of enquiries
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...ces-left-empty-bankers-stay-city-post-brexit/

Some will argue about Ireland, fishing and small companies and I would agree that things will need to be sorted. That will happen when the EU works out that they can't play the bully anymore.
But you know what... you will never get certain people on here ever admit that they got it wrong... A bit like Jezza/Trump/Elections/Starmer/vaccines. They just dislike tories or/and Brexit.
On a final note regarding Labour and/working class? WTF have we been transported back to the dark days of the 1970's! (glad you mentioned that) bloody hell people need to realise those days are long gone. Only political dinosaur's believe that crap.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
I think I used whingeing. Are you saying I used that because I heard or read it in the media? I don't believe a lot of what Meghan said. I think she was lying and it's easy to get everyone on your side by saying - I wanted to kill myself. And what did Harry do? Nothing. What did she do? Did she see her private physician? No. Did she attend Harley Street to see a psychiatrist? No. What did she do then? She went to the Palace's HR department. What?
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Quite possibly, there are plenty of other words or phrases out there yet it always seems to be whingeing. You saying she’s lying doesn’t make it so, I had a conversation with the mrs about the clips I saw, and she watched the entire interview as I felt she didn’t come across 100% genuine, my mrs who is a professional psychologist, said that she would have been coached previously about how to present herself which is probably what I was picking up on, however she is fully trained to pick up on every last thing including micro expressions and said everything she picked up on showed she was being honest, things like micro expressions can’t be faked.

oh Harry didn’t do nothing, that’s simply not true, she mentioned how much he supported her, from my understanding the initial point of call was to go through the palace which they received no support from, according to them, what steps were taken after that you have no idea about so all that about not seeing a psychologist, Harley Street etc.. that’s simply unfounded speculation.
 
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