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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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hope you like your lockdowns


Professor floats idea of 'climate lockdown' with bans on red meat, 'extreme' energy limits
Mariana Mazzucato warns that shutdown may be needed unless we 'do capitalism differently'






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The novel coronavirus shutdowns and restrictions are slowly being lifted in most areas, but already warnings of a “climate shutdown” have begun reverberating on the environmental left.

A leading U.N. economist who advises European governments last week sent up a trial balloon via an article titled “Avoiding a Climate Lockdown,” arguing that in “the near future, the world may need to resort to lockdowns again — this time to tackle a climate emergency.”

“Under a ‘climate lockdown,’ governments would limit private-vehicle use, ban consumption of red meat, and impose extreme energy-saving measures, while fossil-fuel companies would have to stop drilling,” wrote Mariana Mazzucato, a University College London economics professor who is a member of the U.N. Committee on Development Policy. “To avoid such a scenario, we must overhaul our economic structures and do capitalism differently.”

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Climate change skeptics immediately flagged her article on Project-Syndicate.org, which warned that the COVID-19 shutdowns have provided a blueprint for how to reduce emissions in a “climate emergency.”

“When COVID came along and the entire world went into a grip of fear and immediately started locking down, everything the climate activists had been demanding almost happened almost overnight,” said Marc Morano, founder of the anti-climate change website ClimateDepot.com. “In short, the COVID lockdown is a trial run for the climate lockdown.”

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Climate change and the coronavirus pandemic have been linked repeatedly by prominent figures such as former Vice President Al Gore and billionaire Bill Gates, who said in an Aug. 4 op-ed, “As awful as this pandemic is, climate change could be worse.”



In July, the World Economic Forum launched the Great Reset Initiative to “jointly and urgently build the foundations of our economic and social system for a fairer, sustainable and more resilient post-COVID future.”

“They are not letting a crisis go to waste,” said Mr. Morano, who last week released the documentary “Climate Hustle 2.” “They’re calling for a socialist great reset against capitalism. They’re going to try to morph climate and COVID together and you’re going to go from a COVID lockdown to a climate lockdown.”

The conservative Media Research Center noted that Ms. Mazzucato’s, article appeared on Project Syndicate, billed as “the world’s opinion page” and funded by, among others, billionaires Bill Gates and George Soros.

“George Orwell is turning over violently in his grave,” said Joseph Vazquez on NewsBusters. “Tracking PS’s funding explained the tyrannical radicalism. Three groups within Soros’s Open Society Network ($1,242,105), along with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation ($5,280,186), have given PS at least $6,522,291 between 2012-2019.”

The pandemic lockdowns wound up reducing global emissions by about 5% from 2019 levels by mid-June, but climate activists have argued that greater reductions are needed to avoid a “climate crisis.”

“You think that one-month lockdown was bad in spring 2020?” tweeted University of Colorado Boulder professor Roger Pielke Jr. “So imagine 20x, non-stop for the next 50 years.”

Ms. Mazzucato criticized granting COVID-19 recovery funds to oil-and-gas companies during a Friday interview on Bloomberg television.

“Last year, the International Panel on Climate Change argued that we just have 10 years left, 10 years left until climate breakdown basically is irreversible, but in 2019, so just last year, subsidies for fossil-fuel companies were estimated at something like $20 billion a year in the U.S. and $55 billion a year in the European Union,” she said. “What we actually need is a new social compact.”

Ms. Mazzucato founded the UCL Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose, and wrote “The Value of Everything” (2017) and “The Entrepreneurial State” (2013). She has served as an adviser to the Scottish and Italian governments, and European Commissioner Carlos Moedas.

Her website biography says her work has been funded by the Ford Foundation, the Institute for New Economic Thinking, and Mr. Soros’ philanthropy, the Open Society Foundations.
 
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Following on from Strollers post...these are the going rates for Band 5 ( which includes me).


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Just so I understand it Stainsey, these are bands you move up through via time in post, provided you have performed to standard, and the ‘pay rise’ is an uplift to these levels, or something else?
 
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Just so I understand it Stainsey, these are bands you move up through via time in post, provided you have performed to standard, and the ‘pay rise’ is an uplift to these levels, or something else?

Those are automatic spine points that you move up in time, however good your performance is. We, on the trucks anyway, are assessed by managers for a shift to see how well we perform and given feedback accordingly.
I assume the 1% is a rise in those basic levels.
 
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This should be seriously alarming for Labour...

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Labour is now little more than a room for middle class liberals to sound off to each other about their love of identity politics and how they have rid the party of all the ‘never do wells’. It has made its own bed by abandoning the working class and is paying the price.
 
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This should be seriously alarming for Labour...

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It must be down to Mr Starmers fantastic performances at PMQ’s? Remember how he whooped Boris? Maybe people saw that recent Sky interview with Anneliese Dodds and thought WTF!
 
It must be down to Mr Starmers fantastic performances at PMQ’s? Remember how he whooped Boris? Maybe people saw that recent Sky interview with Anneliese Dodds and thought WTF!

Stacey and Tracey don’t watch PMQs or Sky interviews with politicians you weirdly obsess over.
 
Stacey and Tracey don’t watch PMQs or Sky interviews with politicians you weirdly obsess over.

Im really not having a go Bracknell, and I really mean that sincerely, however sometimes I feel people with attitudes like yourself are the problem.
I know YOU (personally) are taking the piss and a lot is said with jest, however the distain and outright contempt that many in the Labour Party have held and shown for common, working class people is a big reason why those same people have abandoned the party in droves.
You only have to look at the comments from Thornberry and the like to see how they feel, therefore is there any surprise at these figures.

As I say honestly not having a pop at you personally...and I mean that
 
Im really not having a go Bracknell, and I really mean that sincerely, however sometimes I feel people with attitudes like yourself are the problem.
I know YOU (personally) are taking the piss and a lot is said with jest, however the distain and outright contempt that many in the Labour Party have held and shown for common, working class people is a big reason why those same people have abandoned the party in droves.
You only have to look at the comments from Thornberry and the like to see how they feel, therefore is there any surprise at these figures.

As I say honestly not having a pop at you personally...and I mean that

I know. My point was that whether Starmer is great, useless or anything in between makes barely any difference to how many votes he’ll get and less than that amongst the working classes who apparently will vote en masse for this government again, who piss on them daily.

I’m not a working class person and even if I was I wouldn’t necessarily speak for anyone else but what the **** can anyone see in this lot after the decade they’ve put the least well off and vulnerable through?