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Ad hominem and "who, me, not me, mate, I may have insulted you by calling you patronising but you're the one overreacting" gaslighting. Well done, you.
 
Libby said:
The thing I find interesting is that you can find plenty of people who were for it but have now changed their mind but how many the other way round?
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I was always deeply suspicious of it, but now I absolutely loathe the very idea of it. So I’ve sort of changed my mind, if that helps?
 
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Isn't the fundamental problem is that there is an underlying belief that referess got lots wrong? Now, don't crucify me. I've used the "Ref was ****ing useless" line enough times, but I'd like to see the data if it exists. I've been at games as 'neutral' with mates who support other teams. Quite often these have been lower league games, so standard of refereeing might have been a little weak. Yet as I stood along side the baying home fans venting their fury I often realised that a) the ref was more often right than wrong and b) when he was giving fouls that led to '**** off ref' responses he was doing it for both sides.

There is an irony that we're using television to solve a problem that originated on TV. For years TV pundits have analysed matches and declared that referees got things wrong. After 78 replays of a tackle they'd declare that the award of a penalty was wrong, or whatever. In real time, the ref gave what he saw.
 
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Onionman said:
I have a different opinion and I dared to make a joke about it so I'm patronising you. Nice ad hominem.

I have already given up my season ticket. I've already told Saints why. I'm sorry that I'm not bothered or have time enough to start some kind of mass campaign but you'll just have to live with being patronised.

Vin
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Well, I for one, thought your original retort was hilarious :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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I'm still for VAR, but there has to be major rule changes and improvements on how accurate the technology is i.e. Not having a blurred shot of a ball when kicked for determining offsides etc.
 
Onionman said:
1. Here's a radical thought. Why don't we pay to have a man running along the touchline watching at full speed? He could maybe have a flag that he raises if he thinks it's offside, while giving the benefit of the doubt to the striker.

2. It'll still be subjective. Fans will think they've been robbed.

3. Ditto. If the penalty had not been awarded, Wolves fans would have been baying for blood as, in their opinion it was quite clearly a handball.

I'm also too much of a student of human nature to expect referees to overturn their own decisions. There are too many cognitive biases that lead you to support decisions you've already made. It's even worse if you've announced a decision (that's why they tell you to inform others that you've given up smoking - it's tougher to go back on something you've made public). Add in the fact that a changed decision makes it look like you can't judge in real time and I wouldn't hold out hope for many revocations of decisions.

If you really want better decisions, there's a wealth of evidence to show that referees wearing headphones playing white noise make far better decisions than referees who can hear the crowd. That's a technology I'd support.

Vin
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1. TBF I don't think there has been a major issue with offsides before var. The linesman tend to get 9 out of 10 calls correct. Whilst we have technology we may as well try and get 10 out of 10 decisions correct. The trouble is its being made too perfect and football and fans aren't ready or want these perfect decisions. It's killing the game which is why I don't think there is the harm for another look in real time that doesn't take 4 minutes to sort out.

For me it should be used to correct the obvious wrongs and cut out cheating. Var is just the technology and Iam all for moving forward but it's how the technology is interpreted and used. I hate the delays and inconsistencies on how it's being used since its introduction. It is killing the game, but I am still hopeful that some compromise can be found.
 
I hate it.

But it won’t go anywhere.

I don’t even get it. Why do they allow refs to make controversial decisions at all when there are other refs watching with slow motion replay screens. VAR is better placed to make a big decision. It would stop the refs digging in their heels to not look like they made a **** up.

Yeah I agree with OP. It’s **** and needs scrapped.
 
RedandWhiteManofKent said:
1. TBF I don't think there has been a major issue with offsides before var. The linesman tend to get 9 out of 10 calls correct. Whilst we have technology we may as well try and get 10 out of 10 decisions correct. The trouble is its being made too perfect and football and fans aren't ready or want these perfect decisions. It's killing the game which is why I don't think there is the harm for another look in real time that doesn't take 4 minutes to sort out.

For me it should be used to correct the obvious wrongs and cut out cheating. Var is just the technology and Iam all for moving forward but it's how the technology is interpreted and used. I hate the delays and inconsistencies on how it's being used since its introduction. It is killing the game, but I am still hopeful that some compromise can be found.
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I still feel that its main failing is that it's still a matter of opinion. All it's done is move the opinion from the man in the black hopefully close to the action to someone in a shed on an allotment in Stockley Park.

Ah well, it's killed football for me, so Saints are going to be about £1,000 a year down on season tickets. If it's just me they'll not notice. Then again, a few seasons ago TV cash overtook ticket sales so perhaps it'll only be noticed when TV audiences drop. Shame.

Vin
 
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By the way, apologies for the gross overreaction earlier in the thread. It wasn't warranted or deserved. Sorry.

Vin
 
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