Off Topic Coronavirus

[oneforthebristolcity]

Just out of interest how many dying a day is acceptable? It’s the lockdown that is reducing these figures. Remove the lock down and it won’t be long till those figures start increasing again.
The vaccine won’t start making a big difference until it’s been administered twice and includes the ones that will travel more frequent. So I would say we won’t see that benefit until the 50’s are done.

How many dying of other health issues are acceptable?
Yes figures will go up after lockdown, don't forget, schools will return which will include millions of school children whom are exempt from the vaccine but are among the worst for spreading..
What you're not getting, is you could have the vaccine, but if you have children and they have the virus, they can give it to you, it maybe possible to still transmit to others...chances are reduced so we've been led to believe, although not proven , never the less still possible.
Like Jiffie said a while ago, PCR tests are only good at the time of testing, nothing stops you from being negative at the time of the test to become positive an hour later.....and that's if we believe they are as accurate as we're told..(I've also read about discrepancies regarding these tests, not from FB either!!)
At some point Rod, we will have to crack on, this can't go on indefinitely .....this ain't going away and we may well have to live with it, like we do Flu..

 

[BCFCRob]

Today I’ve woken up to the news that Covid has taken 2 of my friends now. We’ve been friends for ages, but really bonded over lock down as we both worked through it. He was a proud Scott’s man who would of been bouncing last night with the rugby and our group chat would of been red hot with his banter towards the English. We called each other our Celtic brothers.
The national numbers have now become 2 names for me.

Sorry to hear, rubbish isn't it. I've had 2 family members (though ones I've never met) taken from this as well. I dare say we're not the only ones in here.

How many dying of other health issues are acceptable?
Yes figures will go up after lockdown, don't forget, schools will return which will include millions of school children whom are exempt from the vaccine but are among the worst for spreading..
What you're not getting, is you could have the vaccine, but if you have children and they have the virus, they can give it to you, it maybe possible to still transmit to others...chances are reduced so we've been led to believe, although not proven , never the less still possible.
Like Jiffie said a while ago, PCR tests are only good at the time of testing, nothing stops you from being negative at the time of the test to become positive an hour later.....and that's if we believe they are as accurate as we're told..(I've also read about discrepancies regarding these tests, not from FB either!!)
At some point Rod, we will have to crack on, this can't go on indefinitely .....this ain't going away and we may well have to live with it, like we do Flu..

Firstly on that, it's been shown that the AZ vaccine does reduce transmission by something like 60%. So it does have an impact.

Secondly, your comment about people dying of other health issues is definitely going to bite us, and it's something we will have to deal with in the coming years, what with delayed treatment and the like. But the facts for now remain the same, excess deaths are up with Covid deaths, suicides are flat, etc - there is no data at all that I've seen to suggest that the lockdowns are taking lives yet.

Having said that, we're a year in now. There is only so much backlog the NHS can deal with, and while I'm not qualified to make that judgment, I would imagine that we have to ensure this is the last lockdown. If we keep on like this, there is going to be backlog which will end up as a crisis in itself, with the obvious points of people being denied treatment, etc. We can't continue like this forever.

And while you're absolutely entitled to your free choice, that means people have to have their vaccines.

 

[Redprintt]

Me and Mrs R had our jabs yesterday for our health and to help our marvelous NHS.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Firstly on that, it's been shown that the AZ vaccine does reduce transmission by something like 60%. So it does have an impact.


And while you're absolutely entitled to your free choice, that means people have to have their vaccines.

I'm not sure that's fact with your first point, it's very early stages and might only be short term, it's still mainly all unknowns......plus it has minimal effect relating to the SA variant and so if that starts spreading it will be seen as pretty useless. Pfizer supposed to be better for this so we've been told.......unless it's a way of pushing the brand!!......pro's and cons with both so far, either way there's a long way to go with these so say vaccines or jabs as it's also refereed to....
It comes across to me, it's not actually a vaccine specific for Covid 19 but one for Coronavirus...it only helps to prevent illness rather than eliminate....hence why it's possible for transmission even after the jab..

I can envisage that eventually it will be part of the annual flu jab.

 

[realred1952]

The national numbers have now become 2 names for me.

REALLY SAD NEWS we all need to careful .. it somehow finds it way into the most protected areas I ve lost a few friends over the past 3 month's not heard whether it was covid related. in the process of writing for an obituary from an expedition we did in 1981 …. 5 of us possibly never might have come back. … we will never know for sure but reckoned it was 70 -30 we might not have !... comerarderie is a fantastic bond, and very difficult to accept 1 of you is gone! KEEP SAFE

 

[realred1952]

The vaccine won’t start making a big difference until it’s been administered twice and includes the ones that will travel more frequent. So I would say we won’t see that benefit until the 50’s are done.

I WOULD CONCUR the target originally bandied about 10 months ago was about 70% of the population needed to be " herd proactive " … that's somewhere around 50 million men women children …. so 38m to go plus about 50m second shots!

It comes across to me, it's not actually a vaccine specific for Covid 19 but one for Coronavirus...it only helps to prevent illness rather than eliminate....hence why it's possible for transmission even after the jab..

i can understand why you don't want the vaccine … your statement shows you do not fully understand its workings!!!

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I WOULD CONCUR the target originally bandied about 10 months ago was about 70% of the population needed to be " herd proactive " … that's somewhere around 50 million men women children …. so 38m to go plus about 50m second shots!
i can understand why you don't want the vaccine … your statement shows you do not fully understand its workings!!!

Enlighten me mate sounds like you obviously do!!
If I were you I would have a read of this article rather than just listen to the headlines!!
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/...d-people-may-still-be-able-to-spread-covid-19

Quote "In fact, most vaccines don't fully protect against infection, even if they can block symptoms from appearing. As a result, vaccinated people can unknowingly carry and spread pathogens. Occasionally, they can even start epidemics."

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I WOULD CONCUR the target originally bandied about 10 months ago was about 70% of the population needed to be " herd proactive " … that's somewhere around 50 million men women children …. so 38m to go plus about 50m second shots!
i can understand why you don't want the vaccine … your statement shows you do not fully understand its workings!!!

You might want to read this one too.....from the beloved BBC, which most seem to think is the bible of all info

Aimed at the SA variant
"What has caused particular concern with these Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine results, however, is the vaccine appeared to have just a "minimal" impact, maybe only around 22%"
"So there can be only limited confidence in it.
But it clearly raises very real questions."

You sure that you understand the workings?


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[Redprintt]

We had the AZ jab.
It won't stop us necessarily from getting Covid. However it gives a great degree of protection of entering hospital, ICU and death.
Certainly more than not having a jab and that's good enough for me and Mrs R. If the virus mutates they're already tweaking the vaccine ready for the Autumn which will be the start of an annual vaccine as we do with flu.
Having our jabs now also has the vitally important benefit of freeing up the health care system for vital work combating other serous diseases.
I can only see positive, I will never understand anti vaxxers or the BAME community.
I thought black lives mattered.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

We had the AZ jab.
It won't stop us necessarily from getting Covid. However it gives a great degree of protection of entering hospital, ICU and death.
Certainly more than not having a jab and that's good enough for me and Mrs R. If the virus mutates they're already tweaking the vaccine ready for the Autumn which will be the start of an annual vaccine as we do with flu.
Having our jabs now also has the vitally important benefit of freeing up the health care system for vital work combating other serous diseases.
I can only see positive, I will never understand anti vaxxers or the BAME community.
I thought black lives mattered.

I respect your feelings RP and good for you..
Are you concerned for your health or freeing up the health service? I guess both!!
It's a positive for you and your peace of mind..

Peoples lifestyle changes could do the same though, healthy diet, regular exercise, don't smoke, don't drink & don't take drugs. etc etc.
When watching these GP's practice programmes, it seems that anti-biotics are given out like sweets in a sweet shop...If in doubt prescribe anti-biotics..even to kids. Is this the right thing to do....we know that pharmaceutical companies make billions...not sure long term they are thinking of our well being!!
It has to be over 20 years ago since I've taken anything other than paracetamol or maybe the odd anti-inflammatory (bad back sufferer).
I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen a GP.....I wouldn't even know who my GP is..I've never had or wanted the flu jab.......(I've never had flu)

So I hope you're not lecturing me on how to protect the NHS And if people chose to have a healthier lifestyle......the NHS wouldn't have any problems whatsoever dealing with this virus.......................The vaccine is not a cure and should remain a choice of ones self protection.....even though it's weakening in that department as time goes on...

 

[Angelicnumber16]

We had the AZ jab.
It won't stop us necessarily from getting Covid. However it gives a great degree of protection of entering hospital, ICU and death.
Certainly more than not having a jab and that's good enough for me and Mrs R. If the virus mutates they're already tweaking the vaccine ready for the Autumn which will be the start of an annual vaccine as we do with flu.
Having our jabs now also has the vitally important benefit of freeing up the health care system for vital work combating other serous diseases.
I can only see positive, I will never understand anti vaxxers or the BAME community.
I thought black lives mattered. [/QUOTE

Well done for getting the jabs Redprintt
I was very surprised to hear that it was recently reported that it's the younger members of the BAME community that are advising their parents and their grandparents not to get a vaccine because it's not safe or trustworthy.
If it was the older groups themselves just being hesitant for cultural or religious reasons I would understand it more.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

We had the AZ jab.
It won't stop us necessarily from getting Covid. However it gives a great degree of protection of entering hospital, ICU and death.
Certainly more than not having a jab and that's good enough for me and Mrs R. If the virus mutates they're already tweaking the vaccine ready for the Autumn which will be the start of an annual vaccine as we do with flu.
Having our jabs now also has the vitally important benefit of freeing up the health care system for vital work combating other serous diseases.
I can only see positive, I will never understand anti vaxxers or the BAME community.
I thought black lives mattered.

Well done for getting the jabs Redprintt !
I was very surprised to hear that it's the younger members of the BAME communities that are apparently advising their parents and grandparents against getting vaccinated because of mistrust in the vaccine. If it was the older generations that were hesitant because of cultural or religious beliefs it would make more sense to me.

 

[Cliftonville]

I respect your feelings RP and good for you..
Are you concerned for your health or freeing up the health service? I guess both!!
It's a positive for you and your peace of mind..

Peoples lifestyle changes could do the same though, healthy diet, regular exercise, don't smoke, don't drink & don't take drugs. etc etc.
When watching these GP's practice programmes, it seems that anti-biotics are given out like sweets in a sweet shop...If in doubt prescribe anti-biotics..even to kids. Is this the right thing to do....we know that pharmaceutical companies make billions...not sure long term they are thinking of our well being!!
It has to be over 20 years ago since I've taken anything other than paracetamol or maybe the odd anti-inflammatory (bad back sufferer).
I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen a GP.....I wouldn't even know who my GP is..I've never had or wanted the flu jab.......(I've never had flu)

So I hope you're not lecturing me on how to protect the NHS And if people chose to have a healthier lifestyle......the NHS wouldn't have any problems whatsoever dealing with this virus.......................The vaccine is not a cure and should remain a choice of ones self protection.....even though it's weakening in that department as time goes on...

I do all of those and have not seen a GP for fifteen years although I would have, but was thwarted by a surgery having no appointments for two weeks on a visit four years ago.

I don't know who my GP is.

More egotistical bluster. My fitness test ratings for the Cooper test, bleep test, yo yo test and more put me in a percentile of the top one per cent for my age.

Statistically I am at a significantly advanced (high) risk of contracting covid because I am surrounded by people who have had the virus, and are getting infected despite stringent anti infection measures - Swab tested prior to every shift, temp and pulse/pressure test on arrival, ppe beyond norms, services being cleaned every two hours on top of normal rigorous cleaning routines .. Still we are failing to keep the virus out of services and spreading.

I had the vaccine a month ago as a key worker and because I sincerely want to protect myself, my family and the health services I work in attached to the NHS.

A consultant who was a former colleague of my colleagues died from contracting covid-19, he was young and had no health problems, covid was the cause of death.

And if people chose to have a healthier lifestyle ......The NHS wouldn't have any problems whatsoever dealing with this virus ... Yes it would. And yes it is.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

A consultant who was a former colleague of my colleagues died from contracting covid-19, he was young and had no health problems, covid was the cause of death.

And if people chose to have a healthier lifestyle ......The NHS wouldn't have any problems whatsoever dealing with this virus ... Yes it would. And yes it is.

Is it 100% certain that he didn't have any health issues, maybe you just weren't aware of them...If is was only of Covid and he was young and healthy, that would be very rare indeed and I understand any life taken is a tragedy,unfortunate and heartbreaking especially for his family but in reality some lives are lost young and old to all sorts of circumstances......My wife's brother in-law, known to be fit as a butchers dog, no health issues whatsoever was rushed into hospital Saturday just gone in Leicester with a heart attack and is expected to be operated on for triple bypass hopefully this week....It's a rare situation but it happens.

As to your last sentence....Healthy lifestyle would drastically reduce a massive percentage of patients firstly, plus most wouldn't be affected by the virus to such a point of requiring the ITU......
The NHS wouldn't have any problems whatsoever dealing with this virus or most other non self inflicted health issues......

 

[BCFCRob]

Is it 100% certain that he didn't have any health issues, maybe you just weren't aware of them...

Does it really matter either way though? Who cares if he did or didn't have underlying health issues? Covid means he died before he should have done, even if that 'should' is only a few years away.

On a random note, picked up our latest round of tests from Whitchurch today, as we're in one of the testing postcodes. We've already had the virus but good to be sure again anyway, if they do want to do mass testing around here.

 

[Reliant Robin TC2]

What has caused particular concern with these Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine results, however, is the vaccine appeared to have just a "minimal" impact, maybe only around 22%"

Apparently based upon a limited study of around 2000 people, average age 31!!

Using ****ing stats inappropriately again!!

 

[Cliftonville]

Is it 100% certain that he didn't have any health issues

Yes. The death and others is used as a worst case scenario of what can occur. These experiences shape responses.

Is it 100% certain that he didn't have any health issues, maybe you just weren't aware of them...If is was only of Covid and he was young and healthy, that would be very rare indeed and I understand any life taken is a tragedy,unfortunate and heartbreaking especially for his family but in reality some lives are lost young and old to all sorts of circumstances......

It is not rare. 8/9% of deaths due to covid are have no underlying health conditions.

As to your last sentence....Healthy lifestyle would drastically reduce a massive percentage of patients firstly, plus most wouldn't be affected by the virus to such a point of requiring the ITU......
The NHS wouldn't have any problems whatsoever dealing with this virus or most other non self inflicted health issues......

Completely wrong. Other viruses do not lead to pandemics. This virus for reasons I outlined before is unique at this present time and requires special and far reaching control measures. Measures that frequently fail.

I have worked in health care (NHS etc) for two decades nothing compares to covid. Covid was the cause of one in five deaths for December. In Wales it was one in four, it has been nearly one in three!

 

[Jiffie]

Does it really matter either way though? Who cares if he did or didn't have underlying health issues? Covid means he died before he should have done, even if that 'should' is only a few years away.

I suppose it does matter if he was killed in any kind of accident within 28 days of testing positive.

 

[wizered]

Great news, our vaccine appointments for last Friday as I posted were cancelled but we have just been telephoned and our new appointments are together on Thursday AM, Mrs Wiz and me are chuffed to bits again and can't wait.

 

[BCFCRob]

Great news. I've been hearing mixed responses from those who've had the vaccine regarding how they feel afterwards - for some they've felt pretty awful for a day or so and then fine and dandy straight after that, which I'm sure is the norm for this sort of thing. Though I'm sure if you do feel a bit rough for a little bit then that's just a sign that the vaccine is working .