Why are the Gooners so sensitive?

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Who said Gooners are sensitive?

PISKIE said:
That would be a good point if it wasn't bollocks <ok>
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SamirNasriIsAWanker said:
I agree with Piskie - this is a load of utter, utter ****.
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Oh, right - Gooners.

Seriously, if you;re going to try and say the worst of Wenger's personality isn't rubbing off on you, don't do it in a manner that's exactly like Wenger when offered a handshake from a manager whose team just beat Arsenal. it underlines my point....
 
One of the problems with forums is that if you rise above things it goes completely unnoticed. However, if you rise to something you do get noticed and then get accused of either being aggressive/a wum/over sensitive etc etc. All fans do it.
I don't agree that Wenger's personality (my thoughts on which are irrelevant here) has rubbed off on their fans. I know a lot of Arsenal fans in real life and they're all top people and they will critiscise his sportsmanship if they feel its deserved.

But, back to the point, the gooners probably aren't over sensitive, the problem is that you just don't notice the people that choose to rise above whatever you said (again, i don't know what you said so i can't comment).
 
spurfectionist said:
One of the problems with forums is that if you rise above things it goes completely unnoticed. However, if you rise to something you do get noticed and then get accused of either being aggressive/a wum/over sensitive etc etc. All fans do it.
I don't agree that Wenger's personality (my thoughts on which are irrelevant here) has rubbed off on their fans. I know a lot of Arsenal fans in real life and they're all top people and they will critiscise his sportsmanship if they feel its deserved.
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I know plenty, and they do get remarkably Wengerian when the team is being criticised for cheating, and try to deflect blame onto the opponents just like Wenger does. Similar can be said for how MUPLC fans can get remarkably Fergusonian when their team is criticised, and some Chelsea fans were quick to ape Mourinho (and, strangely, some still do - you sacked him, get over it)

I did know a Spurs fan that Christian Gross' personality seemed to have rubbed off on - he was utterly useless at his job...
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
I know plenty, and they do get remarkably Wengerian when the team is being criticised for cheating, and try to deflect blame onto the opponents just like Wenger does. Similar can be said for how MUPLC fans can get remarkably Fergusonian when their team is criticised, and some Chelsea fans were quick to ape Mourinho (and, strangely, some still do - you sacked him, get over it)

I did know a Spurs fan that Christian Gross' personality seemed to have rubbed off on - he was utterly useless at his job...
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Well, better than than Pleat i suppose. Eeek.
I think Jol must have rubbed off on me most, i'm overweight :(

Also - Wengerian. Like it.
 
I get Wagnerian after a bit of hassle. I open a nice chilled bottle of my favourite white, put on a bit of Wagner, and I am away.

Going "Wagner" is not as bad as you might think, my friends.
 
PISKIE said:
Contrary to HBIC's assertion (and hence it being bollocks), both the manager and the fans are able to handle stick.
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No further questions Your Honour...
 
SamirNasriIsAWanker said:
That's because football is a results business and we haven't been getting the ones we deserve or the ones we need, of late.

Arsene Wenger has a winners' attitude. And that does include being a sore loser. Whoever said football, or sport in general, isn't about winning is clearly not a sportsman.




Winning is the most important part of any sport.

And it's good to know that Wenger gets upset when we lose as it shows he still has passion for the game and has the determination for Arsenal to succeed. Sadly that mentality hasn't rubbed off on the players. Yet.



What do you mean sensitive? You write a comment insulting Arsenal fans and then you expect us not to react? <doh>

Are you a complete mong or something?



Wenger's personality hasn't rubbed off on me. I realise some Arsenal fans regurgitate Wenger's occasional sanctimonious claptrap but there are some pragmatical, realistic Arsenal fans who don't let the club they support cloud their judgement on how things really are.

As for Wenger not shaking someone's hand in defeat, I think I can provide a multitude of examples proving you wrong.

The Pardew incident was in the heat of the moment where Pardew let his emotions out and then seemingly celebrated in front of Wenger. Of course you'd be bitter in defeat if you've lost a game and someone's rubbing it in.

The nerve of you to take the moral high ground here is just plain stupid, to be honest.

You probably would have reacted the same as Arsene did, if not, worse.
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There&#8217;s a big difference between being competitive and being a bad loser. We all want to win when we play. If our sporting idols are liars and cheats we should be intelligent enough to separate the performance from the person. I have never quite understood why our most respected journalists have sat in front of Wenger for years whilst he insulted their intelligence, seeing nothing, but all knowing. They&#8217;re not all perfect by the way, Redknapp is on a friend gathering mission, he insults our intelligence in other ways but Wenger has become a figure of ridicule and as Arsenal see themselves as the &#8216;model club&#8217; that&#8217;s &#8216;whiter than white&#8217; I believe he damages your reputation more than you know.
 
SamirNasriIsAWanker said:
The only difference between being competitive and being a bad loser is that one doesn't disguise their emotions well enough. A 'competitive' person always shares the feelings of a bad loser, but the bad loser makes their frustration well-known. Not that I agree with Wenger's past actions, but when someone is rubbing their victory in your face, you're not going to take it on the chin are you? In the heat of the moment?

''If our sporting idols are liars and cheats...''

Erm, most of them are? Why should we have sporting idols, anyway? I don't really agree with the sentiment that people should have celebrities to look up to. People should look up to others who have made a historical difference in the world of today, rather than the typical celebrity of the 21st Century, be it an athlete or a singer. People should be their own person and have their own idiosyncrasies, rather than trying to be someone else.

It's not as if Wenger is the only person to ''insult people's intelligence.'' Again - I don't think the stuff he's said to the media is right - but I'm not sure why you're singling him out, when there are others who act worse than he does. Also, you do know he has lied to the media before? Everything he says to the media should be taken with a pinch of salt, as you never know when he's telling the truth or not.

I personally don't think Wenger believes everything he says to the media, anyway.

Wenger has become a figure of ridicule because of his actions. He has said some delusional things, but if you look at how much stick the media give him and the amount of unwanted attention he gets, then it's no wonder Arsenal fans get touchy. We want to defend our club and manager. He gets vilified for small things which the media emphasize on too much and we get annoyed with it, as it's not really that big a deal, until the media make a huge deal out of it.

The media embellish what Wenger does and says, more than any other manager.

I don't condone Wenger's comments in his post-match interviews nor the discourtesy to not shake someone's hand after a game, but the media still talk about things like this to date and it's the media who have tarnished the reputation of Arsenal fans, not the Arsenal fans themselves.

It's only natural for someone to defend their club. You can't condemn us for that.
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We have sporting idols because they represent us and our causes/beliefs/choices. When they succeed so do we. I disagree with the belief that in this country we build people up just to knock them down. What we do in fact is get to know them better when they have been around for some time. Their bad characteristics and traits become known to us and then we give &#8216;just deserts&#8217;.

Why Wenger? We could spend hours on all of the managers that have failings. SAF in my opinion is the worst culprit of them all, a real spiteful man. However I think that Wenger is in a different league of sorts. I love the way he conjures up the almost mythical performance when you lose. When you were winning, the &#8216;Arsenal bias&#8217; media gave him huge slack. When the cups were rolling in, his bad manners and arrogance were never questioned. In part you have all helped create this monster. A man obsessed with an ideal that isn&#8217;t working.

It's only natural for someone to defend their club. You can't condemn us for that.

It&#8217;s a Tottenham &#8211; Arsenal thing, we reserve the right to hate
 
Wenger is by far and away the most miserable figure in English football. He is more miserable that Benitez during his last days at LFC. And, now, he cuts a comic, clown-like figure, because we all know exactly how he is going to react after a bad game. This is Wenger's modus operandi:-

(a) never admit to seeing any cheating by a Goon player
(b) always claim to see every incident where the ref didn't make a decision in AFC's favour
(c) never admit that your players played badly
(d) never give credit to Spurs for demolishing you
(e) never admit that you and your team are in crisis
(f) never shake hands with Clive Allen
(g) kick the water bottle

It's the predictability that makes Wenger such a clown <ok>
 
SamirNasriIsAWanker said:
The Pardew incident was in the heat of the moment where Pardew let his emotions out and then seemingly celebrated in front of Wenger. Of course you'd be bitter in defeat if you've lost a game and someone's rubbing it in.
The nerve of you to take the moral high ground here is just plain stupid, to be honest.
You probably would have reacted the same as Arsene did, if not, worse.
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I'm sorry SNIAW, but this is clearly wrong.
Managers celebrate late winning goals every week.
They're always in the dugout when they do it.
The number of times that opposition managers have reacted like Wenger did is countable on one hand.
Most of those occasions would also be him!
 
Hoddle Is A God said:
Wenger is by far and away the most miserable figure in English football. He is more miserable that Benitez during his last days at LFC. And, now, he cuts a comic, clown-like figure, because we all know exactly how he is going to react after a bad game. This is Wenger's modus operandi:-

(a) never admit to seeing any cheating by a Goon player
(b) always claim to see every incident where the ref didn't make a decision in AFC's favour
(c) never admit that your players played badly
(d) never give credit to Spurs for demolishing you
(e) never admit that you and your team are in crisis
(f) never shake hands with Clive Allen
(g) kick the water bottle

It's the predictability that makes Wenger such a clown <ok>
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HIAG are you obsessed with arsenal? You seem to have as many posts about us as you do about your own team lol.
 
SamirNasriIsAWanker said:
1) No, it is not wrong.
2) Yes they do, but they do not raise their fists and celebrate in front of the opposition manager. Pardew clearly lacked class at that moment in time.
3) Yes, but they can also celebrate under the opposition management's nose or give signals to the opposition management to represent themselves as being sore winners.
4) Don't know about that. I'm sure that quite a few managers do the same as Pardew did, only it's not as well documented. It doesn't just happen in the PL, you know.
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You're seeing what you want to see.
Pardew was pretty much as far away from Wenger as he could be, given that he has to stay within a certain area.
Wenger overreacted, as usual.

He's an exceptionally petty man, which casts a shadow over his considerable achievements.
He's well respected and deservedly so, but he's not well liked.
He has more bust ups with other managers than anyone else in the game and this is a profession that includes Neil Warnock within it's ranks.

Frankly, he's just a bit childish.
I imagine that he goes into a strop and trashes the board if he loses at Monopoly.
 
SamirNasriIsAWanker said:
I'm seeing what I want to see?
This coming from the same person who refuses to admit that van der Vaart controlled the ball with his arm just before he scored and then tries to dismiss that he should have been sent off following his celebration with the crowd?
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I don't think that's unreasonable.

Anyway can you Gooners not keep coming over to our board just to argue with HIAG? He got banned from your board, presumably because you guys didn't want to keep arguing with him.
 
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