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Steven Toast said:
But that's society in general, there are people who are successful and people who aren't. Most of the people I've met or seen sat in pubs around Hull are my father's generation, born in the 50s by the looks of them. I'd wager many had to sit through the problems brought on by the trawler industry decline, so it won't have been peaches and cream for them either.

It is harder for young people to buy property, but that doesn't necessarily mean all of them are trying to. Not everybody wants to go to university, even though it's much easier to do so today than it was 50 years ago. It's horses for courses; happy people don't make for good tv so there's never going to be a documentary about how well people working on the internet are doing.
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Most of the pictures I see sat in pubs are a lot younger than 50. Not that many are making a great living out of working in the Internet. Jobs involving actually making something would be useful but those days have gone.
 
Steven Toast said:
But that's society in general, there are people who are successful and people who aren't. Most of the people I've met or seen sat in pubs around Hull are my father's generation, born in the 50s by the looks of them. I'd wager many had to sit through the problems brought on by the trawler industry decline, so it won't have been peaches and cream for them either.

It is harder for young people to buy property, but that doesn't necessarily mean all of them are trying to. Not everybody wants to go to university, even though it's much easier to do so today than it was 50 years ago. It's horses for courses; happy people don't make for good tv so there's never going to be a documentary about how well people working on the internet are doing.
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Things change. University doesn't mean a good job anymore either. Harder to buy a house. Pensions not as good, less job security - but then probably cheaper clothes and food and other consumer items.

Overall its possible that the under 40's now will be the first generation on average since the 1950s not to surpass the previous one in terms of financial security. Not to say there aren't opportunities, but there's also more competition.

Don't buy the idea that many aren't interested in home ownership though. Just too expensive for many to seriously consider.
 
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Sir Cheshire Ben said:
I’ll take that as acceptance that you’re wrong.

Lose another 10st? I’m not the the whizzing round Brid on a Spazz Chariot.

Senile old ****.
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Have you no consideration for people who are physically challenged? That's a pretty disgusting slur on handicapped people!!!! Get that removed mods,there's no place for ****e like that on here!!
 
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Barchullona said:
Most of the pictures I see sat in pubs are a lot younger than 50. Not that many are making a great living out of working in the Internet. Jobs involving actually making something would be useful but those days have gone.
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Then you need to get off the pictures and go out and see for yourself.

As for not many people making a great living off the internet, there's literally thousands of them. Content creators, editors, proof readers, app designers, web designers, ICT support staff...there's literally a list a mile long of things people do as jobs online. The future is technology, which is what older generations are starting to embrace. Younger generations will benefit from an almost fully automated world before long, supported by an almost interfaced online presence, meaning people can actually do the jobs they want to do, rather than taking jobs they have to do in order to live. That's when you'll see a better world, in my opinion.

Humans making stuff isn't going to last much longer, technological advancement means that those jobs can go to AI, which can work tirelessly and costs little to maintain.
 
Mckechnie Orange said:
Things change. University doesn't mean a good job anymore either. Harder to buy a house. Pensions not as good, less job security - but then probably cheaper clothes and food and other consumer items.

Overall its possible that the under 40's now will be the first generation on average since the 1950s not to surpass the previous one in terms of financial security. Not to say there aren't opportunities, but there's also more competition.

Don't buy the idea that many aren't interested in home ownership though. Just too expensive for many to seriously consider.
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You're right, which is why I think more people aren't bothering.

As for housing, the thing is there's so much rental accommodation that people aren't struggling for places to live. Why go through the faff of buying a house when you can just rent one? If you have to move out, you can just rent another. It's nice to own a house, sure, but it's not a necessity and outside of necessity people these days just don't seem that arsed. Attitudes aren't the same as they were in previous generations, there's less forward planning and more people going from moment to moment.
 
Steven Toast said:
Then you need to get off the pictures and go out and see for yourself.

As for not many people making a great living off the internet, there's literally thousands of them. Content creators, editors, proof readers, app designers, web designers, ICT support staff...there's literally a list a mile long of things people do as jobs online. The future is technology, which is what older generations are starting to embrace. Younger generations will benefit from an almost fully automated world before long, supported by an almost interfaced online presence, meaning people can actually do the jobs they want to do, rather than taking jobs they have to do in order to live. That's when you'll see a better world, in my opinion.

Humans making stuff isn't going to last much longer, technological advancement means that those jobs can go to AI, which can work tirelessly and costs little to maintain.
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You are living in a dream world. A few countries may technologically advance in time but in general people will still have to make stuff, transport it and serve it.
In the meantime we keep hearing of kids who can't access online lessons because they don't have the equipment or the Internet. That is in a developed country. How will they be going on in the underdeveloped ones?
 
Steven Toast said:
You're right, which is why I think more people aren't bothering.

As for housing, the thing is there's so much rental accommodation that people aren't struggling for places to live. Why go through the faff of buying a house when you can just rent one? If you have to move out, you can just rent another. It's nice to own a house, sure, but it's not a necessity and outside of necessity people these days just don't seem that arsed. Attitudes aren't the same as they were in previous generations, there's less forward planning and more people going from moment to moment.
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There's a housing shortage, inflating rents meaning folk struggle to save a deposit and pay the cost of living. Doesn't help that since 2008 banks have insisted on high deposits, further compounding a problem they created themselves by offering every Tom, Dick, Harry and claimant a high interest mortgage they couldn't afford to repay.

On a wider note, the disparity between haves and have nots, after narrowing from post war to the late seventies has grown exponentially for the last 40 years. Guess you're lucky you're one of the haves.
 
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