Off Topic Coronavirus

[Redprintt]

I see this morning, he was having a right old suck up with his mate Tony Blair!! Bashing Boris with all his worth......What a dick!!

I saw that interview and thought Blair, for once, made sense.
What really pissed me off was Morgan launching into the Vaccine Minister (can't spell his name).
Never once did he ask about Blair's suggestions on how to speed up the roll out of vaccination.
Like you I find Morgan an absolute dick.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I saw that interview and thought Blair, for once, made sense.
What really pissed me off was Morgan launching into the Vaccine Minister (can't spell his name).
Never once did he ask about Blair's suggestions on how to speed up the roll out of vaccination.
Like you I find Morgan an absolute dick.

They also didn't take into consideration that patients once receiving the vaccination are supposed to sit and wait for at least 10 minutes (according to my Mrs that works in a doctors surgery) before leaving....with social distancing etc this has to be accounted for..............there was no mention of that!!

Not 100% convinced by Blairs theory either, as listening to some medical pro yesterday on LBC saying that, if you've only had the 1st part of the vaccine that you should still continue with the measures until you've had both, because you may still be at risk......does this help or complicate things!!

 

[Redprintt]

if you've only had the 1st part of the vaccine that you should still continue with the measures until you've had both, because you may still be at risk.

I don't see this as a problem.
However little/big protection you get from the first jab it's more protection than I have without.
As for continuing with safe distance, mask, washing your hands until the 2nd dose, what do you find wrong ?

 

[realred1952]

I guess I won't need the vaccine now that I've had (and recovered from ) Covid.......

Believe that you will believe RP et al loves LJ like a brother !!!
I now know 3 [all nurses] that have had covid a second time 1 is on a ventilator [ 4 days now ] 1 had it mildly again and the other was as bad as the first time and in bed 2/3 days! symptoms lasted over a week. All tested positive on first or second day they had temperatures bad throat 2 did not lose taste, one on the ventilator not back in this world yet!

 

[realred1952]

The fact that none of us are travelling any time soon, I will wait and see how it all pans out.......you lot might be walking zombies by then!! laughlaughlaugh

love the self portrait 1 for!

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I don't see this as a problem.
However little/big protection you get from the first jab it's more protection than I have without.
As for continuing with safe distance, mask, washing your hands until the 2nd dose, what do you find wrong ?

Just having one will give the impression to some that they are immune from it.....which of course would be wrong. The level of protection from so say one dose is basically a lottery.....so I don't see the point...........why put a plaster on it when stitches are required!!
As for continuing to stay a safe distance, wearing a mask and washing your hands.....that will be pretty much normal for a long time to come even when you've had the full dose!!

God...just too much common sense for my own good!!

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

love the self portrait 1 for!

I know...you should see the ones that's had the vaccine!!

 

[Redprintt]

The level of protection from so say one dose is basically a lottery.....so I don't see the point...........why put a plaster on it when stitches are required!!

Having 1 dose allows twice as many folk to be part protected keeping pressure off the NHS.
Isn't this comment sense?

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

In all seriousness.........:
I volunteered to donate my blood for research, as I only suffered very mild symptoms. I was declined because I received a blood transfusion during my illness in 2019.
I contacted the NHS to challenge this because I really want to help them - it's the least I could do, to repay a tiny bit for them fixing me. They confirmed that it's true; they don't want my blood, because 'any transfusion since 1980 could possibly cause the spread of CJD (Mad Cow Disease) and they can't test for it in blood yet'. Well, I could have had it (CJD) in my ORIGINAL blood, so I don't get this argument, but hey ho that was the official reply - they aren't interested in my super-plasma. At least the offer was there.
At the same time I asked if my family still needed to be vaccinated now, seeing as we have had the disease and recovered from it. If not then that would free up vaccines for people who haven't had the virus yet, save money and hasten the end to lockdown - if the news can be believed and 1 in 50 have it now or have had it in the past then that's a sizable number of vaccinations (1.4m) freed up. The answer came back (from the NHS Information Centre!!) 'We don't know. Ask your GP'

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

Believe that you will believe RP et al loves LJ like a brother !!!
I now know 3 [all nurses] that have had covid a second time 1 is on a ventilator [ 4 days now ] 1 had it mildly again and the other was as bad as the first time and in bed 2/3 days! symptoms lasted over a week. All tested positive on first or second day they had temperatures bad throat 2 did not lose taste, one on the ventilator not back in this world yet!

I hope that person pulls through JGF .
There's no science behind this, but my personal opinion, based upon what I've read in the news, heard from people like yourself with your story above and seen on TV, is that the re-infection rate is like that akin to measles or chicken-pox.
I was at Dundry Primary School when chicken-pox did the rounds. Out of a school of 120-150 pupils there were 3 people who got it twice. Lets say 1 in 100 people get it twice, so aren't immune from having caught it before and recovered. That statistic is still BETTER than the vaccine, which boasts a 95% immunity.
If my opinion, plus my maths is correct, then:
If you catch the virus and recover, then you have about a 1 in 100 chance of catching it again
If you have NOT had the virus and take the vaccine, then you have a 1 in 20 chance of catching it.

So, I'm still safer having had the virus than if I hadn't and took the vaccine. Of course, we are a country of 70m people, so if you multiply the stats up to scale then that means 700,000 could potentially get it more than once - but that is the absolute worst case scenario where the entire population of this country get it - which won't happen.
Those people that you mention above are all nurses, so presumably they are exposed to the virus in larger quantities than the average person. Without in any way dismissing their suffering I would suggest that the conditions that they work in put them at greater risk than the rest of us due to the exposure, but they could still be that 1 in 100 people. Out of 100 nurses (or other healthcare workers), I would guess that perhaps 1 would get it twice - which would support my theory. Do you know 100 healthcare people who have actually HAD Covid JGF?

 

[realred1952]

I contacted the NHS to challenge this because I really want to help them - it's the least I could do, to repay a tiny bit for them fixing me. They confirmed that it's true; they don't want my blood, because 'any transfusion since 1980 could possibly cause the spread of CJD (Mad Cow Disease) and they can't test for it in blood yet'. Well, I could have had it in my ORIGINAL blood, so I don't get this argument, but hey ho that was the official reply - they aren't interested in my super-plasma. At least the offer was there.

That makes no sense at all .. that's 40 years! how many people have given blood millions how many of them received blood ..a few millions less .. so whose blood did they have? NEXT Q they had a transfusion so they cannot give it anymore? NEXT Q people giving blood could be giving blood contaminated with CJD as there is no test? NEXT Q what happens when all peeps who have had a transfusion are the only ones, or a very small few who give it! Sorry got no blood ringing out the blood you lost … in your last dressings.....!!!!

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

That makes no sense at all .. that's 40 years! how many people have given blood millions how many of them received blood ..a few millions less .. so whose blood did they have? NEXT Q they had a transfusion so they cannot give it anymore? NEXT Q people giving blood could be giving blood contaminated with CJD as there is no test? NEXT Q what happens when all peeps who have had a transfusion are the only ones, or a very small few who give it! Sorry got no blood ringing out the blood you lost … in your last dressings.....!!!!

Crazy but it's true. Look here:
Who can donate plasma? - COVID-19 research and trials - NHS Blood and Transplant (nhsbt.nhs.uk)

 

[realred1952]

Do you know 100 healthcare people who have actually HAD Covid JGF?

no just the 3 wives of friends all within a 50 miles circle /triangle 3 different hospitals 2 are covid nurses 1 is [worst] over 60, know of a few other family/ friends of that are nurses health care … all clear to date.
just been texted, off the main machine [ 9 am ] but still on ventilation [ O2? ] … so a bit of good news, hubby said her first words in 4days was apparently "I need a cup of tea " … he jokingly said if she doesn't get one brought likely she will go to staff room and make it herself!

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Having 1 dose allows twice as many folk to be part protected keeping pressure off the NHS.
Isn't this comment sense?

I don't know is it? Part protected...what does that mean?
On a phone-in, on LBC the other day, a pensioner asking a medical expert that same question. Having been locked up for going on 11 months she managed to get her first dose of the pfizer vaccine She asked how protected she was and was it safe to go out, was it safe to see her family? His answer was to,continue exactly as she was before and No it wasn't a good idea to see her family or mix with anyone outside her bubble......also really upset also not knowing when she would get the 2nd dose.....
Not my idea of common sense!! More like being put in limbo!!

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

In all seriousness.........:
I volunteered to donate my blood for research, as I only suffered very mild symptoms. I was declined because I received a blood transfusion during my illness in 2019.
I contacted the NHS to challenge this because I really want to help them - it's the least I could do, to repay a tiny bit for them fixing me. They confirmed that it's true; they don't want my blood, because 'any transfusion since 1980 could possibly cause the spread of CJD (Mad Cow Disease) and they can't test for it in blood yet'. Well, I could have had it (CJD) in my ORIGINAL blood, so I don't get this argument, but hey ho that was the official reply - they aren't interested in my super-plasma. At least the offer was there.
At the same time I asked if my family still needed to be vaccinated now, seeing as we have had the disease and recovered from it. If not then that would free up vaccines for people who haven't had the virus yet, save money and hasten the end to lockdown - if the news can be believed and 1 in 50 have it now or have had it in the past then that's a sizable number of vaccinations (1.4m) freed up. The answer came back (from the NHS Information Centre!!) 'We don't know. Ask your GP'

That's about right.............and your GP would know because???? 50/50 guess work!! I recon the answer would be yes!! Dr Onefor

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I hope that person pulls through JGF .
There's no science behind this, but my personal opinion, based upon what I've read in the news, heard from people like yourself with your story above and seen on TV, is that the re-infection rate is like that akin to measles or chicken-pox.
I was at Dundry Primary School when chicken-pox did the rounds. Out of a school of 120-150 pupils there were 3 people who got it twice. Lets say 1 in 100 people get it twice, so aren't immune from having caught it before and recovered. That statistic is still BETTER than the vaccine, which boasts a 95% immunity.
If my opinion, plus my maths is correct, then:
If you catch the virus and recover, then you have about a 1 in 100 chance of catching it again
If you have NOT had the virus and take the vaccine, then you have a 1 in 20 chance of catching it.

So, I'm still safer having had the virus than if I hadn't and took the vaccine. Of course, we are a country of 70m people, so if you multiply the stats up to scale then that means 700,000 could potentially get it more than once - but that is the absolute worst case scenario where the entire population of this country get it - which won't happen.
Those people that you mention above are all nurses, so presumably they are exposed to the virus in larger quantities than the average person. Without in any way dismissing their suffering I would suggest that the conditions that they work in put them at greater risk than the rest of us due to the exposure, but they could still be that 1 in 100 people. Out of 100 nurses (or other healthcare workers), I would guess that perhaps 1 would get it twice - which would support my theory. Do you know 100 healthcare people who have actually HAD Covid JGF?

Not allowed common sense on here matey...I've told you before!!

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I hope that person pulls through JGF .
There's no science behind this, but my personal opinion, based upon what I've read in the news, heard from people like yourself with your story above and seen on TV, is that the re-infection rate is like that akin to measles or chicken-pox.
I was at Dundry Primary School when chicken-pox did the rounds. Out of a school of 120-150 pupils there were 3 people who got it twice. Lets say 1 in 100 people get it twice, so aren't immune from having caught it before and recovered. That statistic is still BETTER than the vaccine, which boasts a 95% immunity.
If my opinion, plus my maths is correct, then:
If you catch the virus and recover, then you have about a 1 in 100 chance of catching it again
If you have NOT had the virus and take the vaccine, then you have a 1 in 20 chance of catching it.

So, I'm still safer having had the virus than if I hadn't and took the vaccine. Of course, we are a country of 70m people, so if you multiply the stats up to scale then that means 700,000 could potentially get it more than once - but that is the absolute worst case scenario where the entire population of this country get it - which won't happen.
Those people that you mention above are all nurses, so presumably they are exposed to the virus in larger quantities than the average person. Without in any way dismissing their suffering I would suggest that the conditions that they work in put them at greater risk than the rest of us due to the exposure, but they could still be that 1 in 100 people. Out of 100 nurses (or other healthcare workers), I would guess that perhaps 1 would get it twice - which would support my theory. Do you know 100 healthcare people who have actually HAD Covid JGF?

Plus the risk from the vaccine and side affects in the first place.....Your Maths is spot on!!
Pretty much on deaf ears to most mate!!!

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

That's about right.............and your GP would know because???? 50/50 guess work!! I recon the answer would be yes!! Dr Onefor

Yes and GPs are probably on commission for however many vaccinations they do.
At my age I would still have the vaccine because I don’t want any more children and I want the disease gone. However because I’ve had the actual Covid, I have REDUCED my risk of getting it again anyway, so my choice is weighted against having it.

 

[Supcon72]

I think when Blair first muted this idea weeks back, he stated that if you only got the first jab, there was a 91% efficacy rate, and with the second jab, it went to 95%. Therefore, his logic was to give 4 million people 91% chance of immunisation, rather than 2 million people 95%. I think now though, Pfizer have stepped away from those high numbers, but not certain.
For Blair, this was sound logic, certainly more informed than his sending British troops to die in Iraq for no good reason....

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I think when Blair first muted this idea weeks back, he stated that if you only got the first jab, there was a 91% efficacy rate, and with the second jab, it went to 95%. Therefore, his logic was to give 4 million people 91% chance of immunisation, rather than 2 million people 95%. I think now though, Pfizer have stepped away from those high numbers, but not certain.
For Blair, this was sound logic, certainly more informed than his sending British troops to die in Iraq for no good reason....

Part of the reason I take no notice of what he has to say.........crawls out of the woodwork now and again hoping people will forgive him!!