Off Topic Christmas, Boris and hypocrisy ...

[Brian Storm]

No role for the European Court of Justice and no requirement to follow EU law

A zero tariff and zero quota arrangement


Recognition of the UK’s sovereignty over our fishing waters


Britain outside the Single Market and Customs Union


Co-operation on law enforcement and emerging security challenges


Protections for the UK’s internal market and Northern Ireland's place within it
I’m pissed or I would have just written shove it up your hoop.

Did you quote me by accident? Only I never mentioned BREXIT. You're definitely pissed

 

[Saf]

Labour have been breaking the law for years. They were found guilty of 3 breaches of the equality act 2010 regarding racism within the party. I believe they're the first party in the UK to do so. Regardless of how much their voters try to play it down and sweep it under the carpet, that doesn't sit well with me.

It's a cliche now but Boris Johnson was voted in to get Brexit done. He managed to get that done despite the best efforts of many MP's and parliament to go against the UK's democratic wishes. I fully expect the areas up here that turned blue for the first time to go back to Labour at the next election regardless of who is leading either party. If parliament hadn't have thwarted Brexit for so long we probably wouldn't have ended up with Boris Johnson as the UK's leader.

It should also be remembered that there was no credible opposition up against Boris Johnson at the last election. People voted for who looked like the best candidate, at the time. That's not the public's fault. The Labour party had lost itself to momentum and Jeremy Corbyn. This country will never vote for an ultra left wing party. That isn't who we are but that's who Labour had morphed into. Keir Starmer will move them back towards the centre and win the next election.

 

[Smug in Boots]

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[rooch 3]

Did you quote me by accident? Only I never mentioned BREXIT. You're definitely pissed

Sorry mate pissed as a fart. Merry Xmas to you I’ve got a sore bloody head.

 

[rooch 3]

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I thought for a minute there he was playing a lamp shade with two gas fire lighters.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I see French first response workers have come over, on the ferries, to give tests to the drivers ....

... fair play to them on Christmas Day.

 

[polyphemus]

No role for the European Court of Justice and no requirement to follow EU law

A zero tariff and zero quota arrangement


Recognition of the UK’s sovereignty over our fishing waters


Britain outside the Single Market and Customs Union


Co-operation on law enforcement and emerging security challenges


Protections for the UK’s internal market and Northern Ireland's place within it
I’m pissed or I would have just written shove it up your hoop.

I doubt that it will be quite that good.

The EU has always said that we can not expect to have all the same advantages with none of the 'responsibilities' after we left.
And that's fair enough.
By the same token they can not have all they previously go out of our membership.

BUT, as I understand it, this agreement is contained in 150(?) pages of small print conditions.

I'm holding my fire till I know what we have siged.
BORIS's previous slogan was better No Deal than a BAD DEAL.
That seemed like a reasonable position to take, so I'll wait, just a bit, befor I open some EU lager.

HOWEVER. It's reasonable to expect that our local car Factory is safe.

We can expect some sort of apology from our three MP's, for misleading us and ignoring us, can we not?

I'm not holding my breath.

 

[polyphemus]

If the thread was entitled Tony Blair,Gordon Brown and the global financial crisis then it may have been pertinent. If not it isn't. Simples.

Most threads meander to some extent.
This one is no exception.
Perhaps this passed you by somewhat

As in all things, a little tollerance toward we, more falible and less pedantic folk would be greatfully accepted,

 

[MrRAWhite]

I doubt that it will be quite that good.

The EU has always said that we can not expect to have all the same advantages with none of the 'responsibilities' after we left.
And that's fair enough.
By the same token they can not have all they previously go out of our membership.

BUT, as I understand it, this agreement is contained in 150(?) pages of small print conditions.

I'm holding my fire till I know what we have siged.
BORIS's previous slogan was better No Deal than a BAD DEAL.
That seemed like a reasonable position to take, so I'll wait, just a bit, befor I open some EU lager.

HOWEVER. It's reasonable to expect that our local car Factory is safe.

We can expect some sort of apology from our three MP's, for misleading us and ignoring us, can we not?

I'm not holding my breath.

The delays in getting any sort of a deal has already lead to Nissan pulling out of building the new EV in Sunderland. This is a disaster that will cost jobs and totally the fault of the government.

 

[DH4]

Most threads meander to some extent.
This one is no exception.
Perhaps this passed you by somewhat

As in all things, a little tollerance toward we, more falible and less pedantic folk would be greatfully accepted,

Christmas day and you are trying to start an argument on the internet. Another one on ignore.

 

[Montysoptician]

Labour have been breaking the law for years. They were found guilty of 3 breaches of the equality act 2010 regarding racism within the party. I believe they're the first party in the UK to do so. Regardless of how much their voters try to play it down and sweep it under the carpet, that doesn't sit well with me.

It's a cliche now but Boris Johnson was voted in to get Brexit done. He managed to get that done despite the best efforts of many MP's and parliament to go against the UK's democratic wishes. I fully expect the areas up here that turned blue for the first time to go back to Labour at the next election regardless of who is leading either party. If parliament hadn't have thwarted Brexit for so long we probably wouldn't have ended up with Boris Johnson as the UK's leader.

It should also be remembered that there was no credible opposition up against Boris Johnson at the last election. People voted for who looked like the best candidate, at the time. That's not the public's fault. The Labour party had lost itself to momentum and Jeremy Corbyn. This country will never vote for an ultra left wing party. That isn't who we are but that's who Labour had morphed into. Keir Starmer will move them back towards the centre and win the next election.

I agree with most of what you wrote with the exception of the next election. As a life long Labour supporter it pains me to say I don't think its possible for them to win an election with a working majority while the SNP are so strong in Scotland, I might have my numbers wrong but I think it was 38 seats lost over the border, thats a big chunk out of their total number of MP's

 

[Saf]

The delays in getting any sort of a deal has already lead to Nissan pulling out of building the new EV in Sunderland. This is a disaster that will cost jobs and totally the fault of the government.

I'm sorry, mate, that's not true. Nissan were never going to be building the new EV in Sunderland.

A Nissan spokesperson confirmed that the Ariya will be built in Japan but said that had been the plan for ‘several years’.
Nissan to build its new EV in Japan and not the UK | Next Green Car

The government have been good with Nissan for years. Both Labour and Conservatives. Once Brexit was confirmed Nissan closed down their plants in Spain and moved the work to the UK.

 

[Saf]

I agree with most of what you wrote with the exception of the next election. As a life long Labour supporter it pains me to say I don't think its possible for them to win an election with a working majority while the SNP are so strong in Scotland, I might have my numbers wrong but I think it was 38 seats lost over the border, thats a big chunk out of their total number of MP's

There seems to be another shift happening in world politics now. Countries seem to be moving away from the right and towards centre/left of centre. I predict the Conservatives will be held to account by the electorate at the next election and Labour will form a minority government or come to a supply and confidence arrangement. Probably with the SNP, if Scotland hasn't gone for independence by then.

 

[Montysoptician]

There seems to be another shift happening in world politics now. Countries seem to be moving away from the right and towards centre/left of centre. I predict the Conservatives will be held to account by the electorate at the next election and Labour will form a minority government or come to a supply and confidence arrangement. Probably with the SNP, if Scotland hasn't gone for independence by then.

I've been active/interested in politics for 50 years and during that time elections have aleays been fought on the centre ground, right or left extremes are not acceptable to the UK electorate.
In my opinion, if Scotland gain their independence the boundary commission would need to work some magic to make our political system competetive again

 

[King Kareoke]

I've been active/interested in politics for 50 years and during that time elections have aleays been fought on the centre ground, right or left extremes are not acceptable to the UK electorate.
In my opinion, if Scotland gain their independence the boundary commission would need to work some magic to make our political system competetive again

Really Labour needs to somehow rekindle the support in Scotland. Very difficult but if Scotland goes independent our party system and boundaries may need to be rethought. I personally would like to see Labour gsin a foothold in Scotland as despite everything the UK will ve stronger as one.

 

[farnboromackem]

Christmas day and you are trying to start an argument on the internet. Another one on ignore.

What a fanny

 

[DH4]

What a fanny

And another

 

[farnboromackem]

And another

not that you'll get it.

 

[Brian Storm]

TBF none of the laws Labour broke will lead to another 10 years of austerity paid for by the working class. Johnson has used a Pandemic to illigally fill his mates pockets and it directly effects every working class person in this country.

 

[Brian Storm]

I doubt that it will be quite that good.

The EU has always said that we can not expect to have all the same advantages with none of the 'responsibilities' after we left.
And that's fair enough.
By the same token they can not have all they previously go out of our membership.

BUT, as I understand it, this agreement is contained in 150(?) pages of small print conditions.

I'm holding my fire till I know what we have siged.
BORIS's previous slogan was better No Deal than a BAD DEAL.
That seemed like a reasonable position to take, so I'll wait, just a bit, befor I open some EU lager.

HOWEVER. It's reasonable to expect that our local car Factory is safe.

We can expect some sort of apology from our three MP's, for misleading us and ignoring us, can we not?

I'm not holding my breath.

What he posted was flawed to death but he did have a skin full to be fair